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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with a special edition of UFO

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news network Sunday today we're going to

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pay tribute to Stanton Friedman who died

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this past Monday night unfortunately and

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obviously a lot of folks I have a lot to

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say about him let's bring on our co-host

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my co-host today chant Hannah and chant

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go ahead and let's let's get this

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rolling thank you Frank we are

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profoundly saddened to report the loss

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of Stanton Friedman who died May 13th

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2019

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Stanton's near omnipresent status

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crafted over as nearly 60-year career at

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the helm of U apology is unrivaled his

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reputation has transcended that of many

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deeply involved in ufology his image

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instantly recognizable in the thousands

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of pictures of him at various

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conferences all around the world

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he was an indefatigable researcher who

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was always willing to discuss a topic of

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ufology thank you everyone for being on

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our show with us in tribute to today

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with regarding Stanton Friedman we have

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quite a few stress all very special

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guests who have come forward to speak on

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behalf of Stanton to give tribute to

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this great man we wanted to start off

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with a wonderful quote from Shane Hurd

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who is a field investigator with Phoenix

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MUFON the quote I have from him is Stan

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meant so much to me as I'm sure he did

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with you as well

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I appreciate his logic communication and

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kind heartedness I love his four points

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about debunkers one don't bother me with

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the facts my mind is made up to what the

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public doesn't know I won't tell them

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three argue your position by

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Proclamation four if you can't attack

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the data attack the person it's easier

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he was so powerful because of his simple

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straightforward and intelligent point I

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will miss him immensely we wanted to go

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ahead and move on forward to be able to

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bring on some wonderful guests we have

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which is Stacey Wright

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assistant director of Phoenix MUFON a

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Jim man

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the director of Phoenix MUFON we also

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have Alejandro Rojas and his wonderful

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partner Karen Burrard they run UFO

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Congress they're here with us now hello

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Stacy Jim Alejandro and Karen how are

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you all doing today first so glad to

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have you all on with us today for this

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very special edition of our show today

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we would like to actually start off with

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Jim Jim would you like to say a few

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words about Stanton pleased that I began

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taking you off ology seriously

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Stan was he was such an icon and for me

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he was a hero and I mean that because he

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was a soldier he knew us he knew about

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as much as you can know about us ology

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and I always was impressed at the way he

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would stick up for you apologies if you

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went face-to-face or toe to toe would

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stand on any issue regarding you apology

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or you better do your homework right

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yeah because he could put you under the

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table very quick that man had a

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brilliant mind and along with everything

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else I always loved the fact that Stan

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would always say don't be an apologist

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you apologist

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remember that your mom won't apologize

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because you believe in UFOs and that

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Shane Hurd had mentioned but I guess

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Stan was a hero and that's what that's

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what he'll always be in my mind Jim

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physicist by training but he certainly

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Stan Stan had his facts in order and

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debate with Stan and I'm not saying that

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everything's Dan said was spot-on but

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believing what he believed he had his

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facts straight so again if you were

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gonna talk with Stan and you know quite

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Friedman first time Stacy and I met Stan

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dinner before our MUFON meeting he was

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going to be our very first speaker our

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very first public speaker at Phoenix

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the meeting and I can tell you I have

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an intelligent man in my life I think my

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jaw hit the hit the table and it stayed

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there at because he just talked about

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facts and figures and dates and and

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people he had it all and I was just

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amazed and so that just cemented my my

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resolve to continue working within the

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MUFON organization and in UF ology he

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was just a great guy and you couldn't

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help but be inspired if you were a

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thinking person at all you couldn't help

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but be inspired when you were talking

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on top of all of that Stan had a heart

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of gold he was a good guy

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knew him personally are gonna remember

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how easy he was to talk with and he was

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just a great guy we were we were

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privileged to celebrate his 80th

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75th birthday with him and so he came to

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Phoenix MUFON and spoke for us and he

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celebrated his birthday that day itself

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that was what I remember Stan you know

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he's a wonderful guy and he's certainly

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going to be missed

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thank you so much for those kind words

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Stacy I wanted to ask you do you have

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spoke the words out of his mouth and he

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humor for just when he got to know

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someone you know pretty well but yeah

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enthralled by a set of salt and pepper

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shakers that I have that you push the

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lit up with the light I remember him

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sitting there at my table staring at

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that trying to figure out how to work it

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mr. Spock and he says fascinating that

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was wonderful and thank you so much for

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that wonderful story

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alejandro you're here with us today how

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are you doing I'm good thank you

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it's wonderful to have you on our show

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we wanted to know if you had any words

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to share with us about Stanton mmm-hmm

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thing that really stands out I think we

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qualities his integrity was so high he

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compelling speaker he was fun to listen

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to and on top of all of that he never

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because he would he would say yes to

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everyone he didn't care you know if

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you've never done a podcast before he

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was going to come on and talk to anybody

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about this field and share some of the

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best information out there so right off

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the bat we we all had this partner in

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this mentor and you know with him gone

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the field and other people and we all

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aspire to be like man but nobody's like

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treasure I think it would be a treasure

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for any field and for ufology we were

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Thank You alejandro Karen you're with us

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today how are you doing hi I'm doing

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conferences and he always can give me a

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hug and a kiss on the cheek and he

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he was but one thing I just learned

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that he was a first for so many people

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he was the first for students units move

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lecture and I just realized that he was

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University and I don't know how I came

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upon it but I got in my car and I went

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first time ever it was in so yeah it's

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been a big part of everyone's life yes I

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care in a really quick quick question

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for you I never had the opportunity to

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see him speak live how did I I'm gonna

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guess I know the answer already but how

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did he go over how did the crowd react

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to him Oh everybody was wrong because I

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mean back then I mean if you were me a

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UFO secret was gonna come you know the

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people that were gonna go or the diehard

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people that were really interested in

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always you know interviews humor and his

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talk he was a very charming man but yeah

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he was great everybody loved him and he

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was surrounded by everybody at the end

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of his talk everybody wanted to ask more

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everybody has been saying he was so

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accessible he never acted like he was

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above anybody else or too elitist he

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didn't act like he was an intellectual

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leadest what he did was if anybody even

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if they had the tiniest little talk show

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to the biggest he would make himself

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available also it didn't matter if you

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were the average Joe on the street so to

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speak or a high profile person he would

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make time too

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talk to you he wasn't the one dish moves

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with only the star-studded crowd he

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liked to speak to everybody and so yeah

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and so we just really appreciate your

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having shirt all of your wonderful

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stories today and by the way we also

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wanted to mention where you're at which

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is where I wanted to go with sauce

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German today my camera guy and that is

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its UFO convention McMinnville Oregon

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can you tell us a little bit about that

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I believe there's many people who spoke

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which is among the guests were a Peter

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Davenport who emceed the event a bob

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lazar and jeremy Cora Bell George Knapp

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James Clarkson was speaking I know there

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are some investigators local who looked

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into Trent and of course I'm not sure if

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you mention I think you did commander

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so that was unique so we have you know

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Bob Lazar he's speaking spoken for the

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UFO Congress before he said that was

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going to be his last but he was a Jeremy

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was able to get him out here corbels

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who's friends with him and fear he said

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this is gonna be his last so we'll see

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if it's actually his last and then David

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flavors that this would be his first and

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only event luckily they taped them and

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they'll be out soon and people are

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really gonna want these because I'd love

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to hear from everybody else but I think

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that they shared a lot of exclusive

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information we've never heard anywhere

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else and it was incredible eyes I love

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their talks yeah I enjoyed it a lot and

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it's a really fun place here I mean

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McMinnville really knows how to put on

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the fun great parade it only rained just

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a little bit but we all had a really

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good time and David Pilates is also here

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and put on an excellent talk so I err of

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festivity here with it's been great and

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that's fantastic thank you so much for

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letting us know a little bit about that

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wonderful convention I hope you all have

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safe travels back home and thank you for

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having taking the discretion or time to

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speak with us today we really appreciate

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you for that

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well thank you can't thanks for having

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that Bank thank you so much everybody

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always a pleasure I would like to go

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ahead and read a quote by the way from

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the wonderful race Hobbs who is a dear

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person and I personally feel like he is

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a role model in the realm of ufology

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he's done a lot he's accomplished a lot

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he knows just about everybody in this

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field

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he said Stanton T Friedman to me is and

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always will be the father of ufology I

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always respected him for his tireless

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efforts in archival research his

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willingness to share and work together

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and most importantly his professional

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representation of this subject

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my favorite quote by Stan and he gave so

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many do your research by investigation

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not Proclamation when I asked him in his

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last interview on camera with me what

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advice yet for the next generation of

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UFO researchers that's exactly what he

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said he was a brave and gentle man race

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Hobbs president head of programming at

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kgr a digital broadcasting network Frank

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did you get a chance and go ahead well

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yeah we've compiled quite a few quotes

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from in tribute to mr. Friedman and

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we've got this one from dart Denis

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Marcel granddaughter of Jesse Marcel

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senior the Marcel family's hearts and

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prayers go out to Stanton Friedman and

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his family he was one of a kind and will

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be truly missed when I think of the

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Roswell incident the first names that

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come to mind as Stanton Friedman I don't

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think he knew at the time when he first

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interviewed my grandfather Lieutenant

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Colonel Jesse Marcel senior in 1979 our

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lives would be forever entwined I think

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at one time or another in our lives we

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all wondered that I make a difference

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with Stanton we know the answer to this

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question the impact he had on the UFO

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community was unparalleled

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the Marcel family will always be

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indebted to him for his hard work and

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dedication for exposing what really

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happened in Roswell Stanton Friedman

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will be greatly missed by the Marcel

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family and the millions of UFO

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enthusiasts around the world and

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chant you want to take the next quote

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yes and I also wanted to remind you to

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please call Michael hall because I know

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he's over there at McMinnville at work

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in a UFO convention and I know he wants

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to talk to us and it would really be

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wonderful to be able to have an

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opportunity to speak with him he's got

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to be on skype so yes okay understood so

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let me go ahead and move on to the next

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code it'll just take me a moment it

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alright just one second sorry about the

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wait here okay I have in memory of

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Stanton Friedman and it'll just take a

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second it's coming up it's Lynn Buchanan

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the first time I met Stanton was when he

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came to visit me in Alamogordo New

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Mexico after which he and I drove to

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Aztec New Mexico where we were to speak

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at a UFO conference on the way there and

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back we had the chance to get to know

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each other as regular humans it was 2:00

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to 5:00 our trips of personal time that

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almost nobody ever got was gentle as it

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turns out he was very human very

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personable and we became friends I will

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miss him

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Lynne Duke an insurgent first class US

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Army retired remote viewer trainer in

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the US Army remote viewing unit from 84

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to 92 author of the seventh sense and

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we've got this from Kathleen Martin who

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co-wrote a book about the hill case with

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Stanton obviously worked very close with

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him as I reflect upon Stanton's life in

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the 14 years that we work together or an

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archival research and

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writing I I think that we accomplished a

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great deal he thought so too Stanton and

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I began with captured the Betty and

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Barney Hill UFO experience and

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discovered that we work together

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harmoniously so we researched and wrote

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two additional books science was wrong

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and fact fiction and flying saucers in

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addition to being business associates we

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became close friends he was the

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gentleman who accompanied me to speaking

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engagements the trustworthy person who

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shared a vendor table with me the person

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who would give me an honest opinion the

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brilliant intellect who was always

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meticulous in his work the defender of

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the truth and a shining example of a

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decent human being he was kind generous

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and loved by many he had an amazing

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sense of humor that brought auroria

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slapped our to our work we were looking

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forward to another visit in July and

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that's Kathleen Martin oh that's

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wonderful

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okay great I actually have dr. kitai

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here we'll be go ahead and bring herself

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just take a second dr. kitai the passing

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of Stanton Friedman ufology icon nuclear

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physicist and grandfather to many is a

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great loss for the field know firsthand

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how difficult it must have been for him

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to transition from his respected

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respected scientific career to the

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controversial UFO topics

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I am personally grateful for his stellar

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contribution highness and heart-to-heart

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discussions we had throughout the past

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20 years Stan will be missed but his

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memory and this work will definitely

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live on dr. Lynn khatai internationally

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acclaimed physician health educator and

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is known for her work on Phoenix lights

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Network website Phoenix lights book

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award-winning Phoenix lights documentary

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the Phoenix lights you have bone crop

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circle graphic novel activities and

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coloring books and we have this from

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Paula Harris the photojournalist and

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investigative reporter the great the

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great Stanton Friedman led the way for

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credibility in the field on serious UFO

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research he was respected worldwide for

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his work and led the way for all of us

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he is a legend and his legacy

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immeasurable

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okay thank you very much just one second

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I have one from Tom Kahn well that I'm

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going to read I am so happy I had the

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opportunity to meet Stan he was very

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smart yet he made me feel important this

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life without him will never be the same

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Tom Kahn well you have all gist and

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forensic pattern researcher and we have

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this from Lois Elizondo from the to the

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stars Academy and the upcoming TV show

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unidentified also ran a tip in the

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Pentagon although I never had the

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privilege of meeting mr. Friedman

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personally he was a pioneer and a

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proponent of science and the truth his

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pursuit of this during a time of stigma

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and obfuscation is a testament to his

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character history will remember him

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kindly as a friend of humanity and maybe

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even more unfortunately people like him

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and Mozart never realized their

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contributions during their lifetimes

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thank you Frank I have one last one here

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from Paul Dean Stan will remain

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influential for years to come to me it's

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his earlier work which was most

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influential and he could hold an

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audience which is no mean feat Paul Dean

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researcher and historian and I've got

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one last one here from Isaac coy a

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researcher and archivist over in England

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Stanton Friedman has been an iconic

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figure in UFO research for decades

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particularly in relationship to mj-12

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UFO crashes and other highly

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controversial areas he also helped

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highlight two other researchers

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scientific and statistical work done in

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relation to UFOs which even today to

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research too few researchers have looked

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into particularly project Blue Book's

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special report number 14 he also had a

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great sense of humor getting something

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that is all too rare within ufology

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I will miss him so and one last one from

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Alex Icarus who is the host of The

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Skeptical podcast one thing I remember

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and appreciated about Stan was his

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willingness to answer tough questions

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and follow the data so there we go

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chant a great job on accumulating all

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those quo

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In Memoriam - Stanton Friedman thank you

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very much for having read all that I

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wanted to make sure we had the

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opportunity to share everybody's tribute

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to Stanton and just wanted to let you

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know that Jan Harrison would like us to

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go ahead and give him a call

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at in one a few minutes but you can call

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him now when you go and share that with

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you but yes we do have quite a few

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wonderful people who are going to be on

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our show today and one of them is going

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to be John Carson then we will also have

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a Dean Alioto the director coming on

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soon and we also have Steven Bassett

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who's going to be joining us later

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one thing I wanted to mention about

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Steve Fossett is he is one of two people

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who are loving Washington the other is

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Chase clubski

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and she's going to be on with us as well

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and she needs you to go ahead and bring

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her onto the show as well but yes so we

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have a large panel of guests everybody

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wants to have the opportunity to pay

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tribute to Stan and one thing I noticed

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about Stanton Friedman is he always had

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stories to share with people and he

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didn't try and act like he was a

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scientist you know come on in and Jan

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and if you would just a few words about

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Stanton Friedman sure happy to do that

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you know the words that epitomize the

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Stanton in my opinion is true gentlemen

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I mean Stan was the ultimate gentleman

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in the whole UFO field even his

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detractors had great respect for him and

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00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:46,520
always talked positively about him

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they've been out of read with him but

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they talked very positively about him

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and his manners so I would say we all

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need to kind of learn from Stanton and

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how he conducted himself as a apologist

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and obviously we have a huge debt of

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gratitude for him

544
00:25:04,259 --> 00:25:02,019
having been one of the first people out

545
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:04,269
there talking about the subject neck

546
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:07,510
when it wasn't cool to do so you know

547
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:10,690
stan has been 50-year member of MUFON he

548
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:15,130
spoken at 24 of our 49 symposiums he's

549
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:18,309
written two hundred and seven columns in

550
00:25:21,779 --> 00:25:20,260
the MUFON Journal which has been

551
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:21,789
published for the last 50 years straight

552
00:25:27,090 --> 00:25:24,039
it's almost a third of everything and

553
00:25:29,130 --> 00:25:27,100
he's just contributed so much we'd saw a

554
00:25:33,389 --> 00:25:29,140
huge debt of gratitude to him and

555
00:25:35,070 --> 00:25:33,399
everything he's accomplished that's

556
00:25:38,639 --> 00:25:35,080
wonderful thank you so much for those

557
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:38,649
words Jan I wanted to ask you have you

558
00:25:43,860 --> 00:25:40,570
did you have a lot of contact with

559
00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:43,870
Staunton throughout the years oh yeah

560
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:44,620
absolutely

561
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:46,360
yeah I spoke to Stanton several times

562
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:50,799
during the years you know he spoke at 24

563
00:25:55,139 --> 00:25:52,690
symposium so and I've been I've been

564
00:25:58,759 --> 00:25:55,149
helping with symposium since 2001 which

565
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,769
was really the first time I met him and

566
00:26:02,009 --> 00:26:00,880
had an opportunity to introduce them

567
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:02,019
we're gonna be doing a tribute to

568
00:26:07,019 --> 00:26:03,970
Stanton this impose you among Saturday

569
00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:07,029
night his nephew coming in who did a

570
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:09,070
movie on it and called flying saucers

571
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:11,320
are real are chasing flying saucers the

572
00:26:16,860 --> 00:26:14,529
stanton of the state and friedman story

573
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,870
and it should be a real great time for

574
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:18,159
everybody to come out in to celebrate

575
00:26:21,899 --> 00:26:19,690
them so if anyone has an interest in

576
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:21,909
being there you don't necessarily need

577
00:26:25,259 --> 00:26:23,110
to buy a ticket for that because it'll

578
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:25,269
be Saturday night around 9:00 p.m. but

579
00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:27,250
I'd invite everybody in the public who

580
00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:29,230
hasn't interested like to celebrate his

581
00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:31,539
life come down and join us that's our

582
00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:33,990
that's Paul Kimball isn't it there Jan

583
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:36,940
yes it is it's Paul Kimball you're right

584
00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:39,490
you're correct who's up in Canada and I

585
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:40,299
think you might have been the guy who

586
00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:41,590
actually broke the story on this because

587
00:26:47,639 --> 00:26:44,470
when I spoke to Stan's wife the day that

588
00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:47,649
happened she was asking that people not

589
00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:49,990
contact family and give him their time

590
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:52,990
to be alone so they they hadn't put it

591
00:26:56,909 --> 00:26:55,450
publicly I think it came up I would

592
00:26:59,490 --> 00:26:56,919
imagine it came out through Paul I could

593
00:27:01,860 --> 00:26:59,500
be mistaken on that but it was total

594
00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:01,870
shock to everybody to hear that he had

595
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:04,059
passed but you know Stan was one of

596
00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:06,010
those guys he just kind of Energizer

597
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:07,630
Bunny he just wit and wit and what I

598
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:08,289
mean

599
00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:10,029
kept recharging his batteries and going

600
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:12,580
for more so god bless him for doing that

601
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:14,890
and Paul he's done some fine

602
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:16,330
work in the field - he's made a couple

603
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:18,250
of documentaries he made the documentary

604
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:21,400
Stanton Friedman is real and he also

605
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:24,460
made a documentary top ten UFO cases

606
00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:26,290
which did features Stan and that's a

607
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:28,120
that's a real fine docking oh they both

608
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:29,980
are but that the second one is a real

609
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,690
fine documentary that covers some very

610
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:34,500
interesting cases so that's worth a look

611
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:36,820
yeah we may show a second feature

612
00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:38,890
although I think I'd like to give people

613
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:41,080
a chance to come up and have an open mic

614
00:27:44,370 --> 00:27:42,970
and just share their Stanton stories

615
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:44,380
because I'm sure there's lots of them

616
00:27:48,210 --> 00:27:46,330
out there and of course there's an a UFO

617
00:27:49,860 --> 00:27:48,220
conference you can't go to where Stan's

618
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:49,870
not sitting at his table selling books

619
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:53,140
and his partner Kathleen Kathleen Mardon

620
00:27:56,790 --> 00:27:54,070
you know the two of more like

621
00:28:00,360 --> 00:27:56,800
inseparable and and published some fine

622
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:00,370
publications so yeah just a true human

623
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:02,110
being and I had nothing but the utmost

624
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:05,470
respect for Stan yeah you know I

625
00:28:09,330 --> 00:28:06,700
wouldn't say were closed because Stan

626
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:09,340
was always a very quiet guy but but we

627
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:12,850
spoke often and he was always if he said

628
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:14,950
he was gonna do something he did it and

629
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:16,420
my understanding is even though he

630
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:19,600
wasn't feeling up to par he felt he had

631
00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:21,970
a commitment to the Ohio conference that

632
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:23,560
he went to and it was actually returning

633
00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:24,730
from that conference when he passed away

634
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:27,640
so that's just who he is I mean if he

635
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:29,050
said he said he could do something he

636
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:32,250
did it and his word was his honor and

637
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:34,480
you know I think the other thing too is

638
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:35,650
you know even though he disagreed with

639
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:38,260
people on certain things it could be

640
00:28:43,410 --> 00:28:41,050
disagreeable he didn't do it in a mean

641
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:43,420
or vicious way he he actually gave his

642
00:28:48,390 --> 00:28:45,850
facts and let them speak their piece and

643
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:48,400
that's actually in the movie you'll see

644
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:50,920
which is which you can get on online too

645
00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:55,060
it's chasing flying saucers the Stanton

646
00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:57,100
Friedman story and I had an opportunity

647
00:29:02,930 --> 00:28:59,890
watch it this past week it's really a

648
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:02,940
great film that Paul put together

649
00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:05,890
thank you very much Jan and also would

650
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:08,110
you mind please repeating a little bit

651
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:10,840
more about the MUFON stupid symposium

652
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:12,910
you'll be having or letting everybody

653
00:29:17,210 --> 00:29:15,220
know about that so that we can go ahead

654
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:17,220
and runners okay

655
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:20,380
yeah 50th anniversary we're celebrating

656
00:29:25,410 --> 00:29:22,510
in here in Irvine California at the

657
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:25,420
hotel Irvine just off the 405 freeway at

658
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:27,730
MacArthur I said Jamboree

659
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:28,809
it's actually worse

660
00:29:33,659 --> 00:29:31,330
smoked in 2001 when the movie was done

661
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,669
by Paul Kimmel so it's interesting I

662
00:29:38,009 --> 00:29:35,279
watched the footage and it was a

663
00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:38,019
drawback to almost 20 years ago when he

664
00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:39,940
was out here speaking at that first

665
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:41,980
symposium here in Orange County so

666
00:29:46,499 --> 00:29:44,169
invite everyone to join you can go to

667
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:46,509
MUFON symposium comm get all the facts

668
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:50,110
we've got some great speakers Paul Hynek

669
00:29:53,909 --> 00:29:51,700
son of jail and Hynek will be there

670
00:29:57,239 --> 00:29:53,919
probably close associate with Stan I'm

671
00:29:58,590 --> 00:29:57,249
sure through the years and we'll just

672
00:30:00,629 --> 00:29:58,600
have a whole lot of good people I've got

673
00:30:03,629 --> 00:30:00,639
a Jaguar coming up from Brazil we've got

674
00:30:06,659 --> 00:30:03,639
the klaus von from the a fu out of

675
00:30:08,489 --> 00:30:06,669
sweden will be speaking i just got a lot

676
00:30:09,899 --> 00:30:08,499
of great speakers Jim Penniston you know

677
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:09,909
one of the few men that I know who's

678
00:30:15,539 --> 00:30:13,480
ever touched the UFO will be talking so

679
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:15,549
it's just be a great time for people's

680
00:30:20,129 --> 00:30:18,070
about learn if you just come out and

681
00:30:21,779 --> 00:30:20,139
network because you don't have to buy a

682
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,789
ticket to come to the symposium you can

683
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,679
come hang out in the vendor area we've

684
00:30:28,289 --> 00:30:26,080
got movies going we've got hopefully an

685
00:30:30,450 --> 00:30:28,299
arts chair that will be happening still

686
00:30:32,879 --> 00:30:30,460
being put together but all these things

687
00:30:34,739 --> 00:30:32,889
you can do without spending a dime but

688
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:34,749
if you want to see speakers and things

689
00:30:38,999 --> 00:30:36,549
like that we have you know one two or

690
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:39,009
three day tickets for you so do what

691
00:30:43,169 --> 00:30:41,350
fits your pocketbook but definitely come

692
00:30:45,509 --> 00:30:43,179
out and celebrate Stan's life they'll be

693
00:30:48,869 --> 00:30:45,519
Saturday night 9:00 p.m. at the hotel or

694
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,879
bike wonderful Jan thank you so much for

695
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:50,080
your time today you've been very

696
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:52,570
generous with it and we appreciate you

697
00:30:56,580 --> 00:30:54,419
very much also

698
00:30:59,039 --> 00:30:56,590
okay well god bless you guys for

699
00:30:59,999 --> 00:30:59,049
honoring stand I know he's watching down

700
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:00,009
and smiling right now

701
00:31:04,769 --> 00:31:02,409
so thank you god bless you also thank

702
00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:04,779
you and we have the wonderful Chase

703
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,820
Slutsky we would like to bring on to

704
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,799
this show I really don't think she needs

705
00:31:14,909 --> 00:31:10,600
an introduction everybody knows chase

706
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,919
chase are you here with us I can't okay

707
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:17,679
hi how are you yes we can hear you

708
00:31:23,789 --> 00:31:20,220
absolutely how are you doing today oh

709
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:23,799
very well thank you so much for having

710
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:27,570
me on to say a few words about Stan

711
00:31:32,639 --> 00:31:30,369
we're thrilled to have you on I would

712
00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:32,649
also like if you don't mind just for you

713
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:34,299
to share a little bit about yourself to

714
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:38,019
our new listeners new to who you are but

715
00:31:41,249 --> 00:31:39,730
however everybody does know who chase

716
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,259
says she's a wonderful person I

717
00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:42,640
personally feel

718
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,200
she's a role model in your follow G

719
00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:45,760
could you please share a little bit

720
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:46,540
about yourself

721
00:31:51,930 --> 00:31:49,840
oh thanks can't you know I'm very fond

722
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:51,940
of you and Frank as well I love your

723
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:54,220
show I'm huge fan one knows that as well

724
00:32:03,360 --> 00:31:58,210
but um yeah I'm an investigator I'm an

725
00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:03,370
explorer and just out here boots on the

726
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:05,470
ground I'm a forensic specialist in the

727
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:08,590
evidence and you know a million accounts

728
00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:10,870
now we need investigators to actually go

729
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:12,430
out and dig up that evidence and

730
00:32:16,260 --> 00:32:14,230
admissibility and to meet that burden of

731
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:16,270
proof and scientific scrutiny and that

732
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:18,280
can only be done with thorough and

733
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:22,330
professional investigations okay thank

734
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,850
you very much for having shared that

735
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:25,600
with us

736
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:28,090
chase I wanted to ask you have you had

737
00:32:35,100 --> 00:32:29,970
any personal interaction with Stanton

738
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:35,110
lots of it and unfortunately the last

739
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:39,310
time I was with Stan we were speaking on

740
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:41,470
a cruise together and we were in Mexico

741
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:43,240
and it was a great time it was an

742
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:47,170
amazing time and one of Stan's favorite

743
00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:50,770
things about me working with him was had

744
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,600
nothing to do with me it was because my

745
00:32:58,020 --> 00:32:55,600
husband who is a nuclear submarine

746
00:32:59,550 --> 00:32:58,030
commander would sit and talk to him

747
00:33:02,460 --> 00:32:59,560
about nukes and you know some things

748
00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:02,470
that he's could talk about with and he

749
00:33:07,370 --> 00:33:05,350
just would be in heaven talking with

750
00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:07,380
people about you know his nuclear

751
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:10,420
background and he would light up like a

752
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:12,040
Christmas tree and I always call that

753
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:15,490
guy time you know when the car you know

754
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:17,050
does with their you know with their wine

755
00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:18,550
and you know a cigar and they're just

756
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:20,380
you know deep in conversation it's

757
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:24,430
really wonderful to see that and you

758
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:25,750
know another one I know he loved that

759
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:27,610
you know he loved to talk to his race

760
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:28,510
Hobbs

761
00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:31,030
you know racy is kind of the guy that

762
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:33,820
you know Stanton was drawn to and and

763
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:37,390
just really lit up and then you could

764
00:33:42,390 --> 00:33:39,660
tell how much he enjoyed the

765
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:42,400
conversation so I've seen that quite a

766
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:44,280
bit but um you know I've had my own

767
00:33:50,510 --> 00:33:47,650
interactions with Stanton and you know

768
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:50,520
when I think about today's ufology and

769
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,710
you know I I get very reminiscent on the

770
00:34:01,039 --> 00:33:56,559
guys like Stanton that was

771
00:34:06,029 --> 00:34:01,049
yo he was iconic and in the absolute

772
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:06,039
symbolism of professionalism you know

773
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:08,889
proper debate proper debate without the

774
00:34:12,930 --> 00:34:11,560
hate in the shade and you know just you

775
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:12,940
know all the things that have

776
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:15,540
infiltrated into our field of ufology

777
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:18,760
you know and we have to look at those

778
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,550
that came before us one thing I remember

779
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:24,639
it's easy to look at Stanton and and

780
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,460
realize his work as epic most of it was

781
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:29,200
done when the computer wasn't even here

782
00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:31,929
yet these guys dug through files they

783
00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:34,030
spent weeks trying to find a piece of

784
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:36,819
paper and I think we have to remember

785
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:38,470
that they were doing it before it was

786
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,200
cool and I just love that and that was

787
00:34:46,619 --> 00:34:44,159
always the credit I would give him and

788
00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:46,629
you know it was always a joy to be with

789
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,790
him he was a very calming presence in

790
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:53,679
especially Congress which everyone knows

791
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,010
is my favorite conference and you know

792
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:58,480
so we get out there and you know

793
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:01,000
Congress is rocking and rolling and you

794
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:02,740
know there's all this activity and

795
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:05,020
everybody's upbeat and it's positive and

796
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,210
you know but there's a lot of energy and

797
00:35:12,450 --> 00:35:10,060
here's Stan you know usually back there

798
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:12,460
with Kathleen partnered you know

799
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:14,770
spending all day and never complaining

800
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:17,500
not one time did he leave early I just

801
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:18,970
miss him already

802
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:23,530
he was huge and I hate that we're losing

803
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:25,750
some of our greats get Mars was another

804
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:28,810
blow I mean that was a god smack and now

805
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:31,510
Stanton so you know I think when we see

806
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:33,700
people that we still have like Linda

807
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:37,990
Moulton Howe and many many others we

808
00:35:42,089 --> 00:35:39,910
need to show them a lot more

809
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:42,099
appreciation and just really maybe a

810
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:43,930
little extra hug or a little more

811
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,470
support but thank you guys what for let

812
00:35:55,579 --> 00:35:51,040
me speak I just remember a really gentle

813
00:35:59,250 --> 00:35:55,589
man who was so smart never gave up just

814
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,260
was cool without being flamboyant he was

815
00:36:06,569 --> 00:36:03,119
awesome Thank You chase for those

816
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:06,579
incredible words about Stanton and we

817
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:08,260
also appreciate your having taken the

818
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:09,370
time

819
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:14,650
tribute to this great man thank you it

820
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:17,050
was so my honor and for you and Frank

821
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:19,150
anything I love you guys thank you so

822
00:36:24,510 --> 00:36:21,490
much thanks a lot Jason Thank You chase

823
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,520
hi today I wanted to let everybody know

824
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:26,560
we have a very special person on his

825
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:28,870
name is Michael W Howe he's known as the

826
00:36:39,090 --> 00:36:37,080
okay we might be having a few audio

827
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:39,100
issues regarding Michael but we'll go

828
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:41,290
ahead and move on to another person I

829
00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:43,840
know that we would love to listen talk

830
00:36:50,190 --> 00:36:45,910
to about Stan and dad is rich Hoffman

831
00:36:51,660 --> 00:36:50,200
rich are you with us today sure AM okay

832
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,670
rich I would just wanted to share with

833
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:54,240
our listeners that you're an executor

834
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,740
Board of the scientific coalition of U

835
00:37:00,860 --> 00:36:58,480
of fall Jean and can you share a little

836
00:37:03,330 --> 00:37:00,870
bit about yourself with our listeners

837
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:03,340
yeah sure Ken and let me correct you

838
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:06,190
we're no longer the scientific Coalition

839
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:07,540
for ufology where the scientific

840
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:12,580
Coalition for UAP studies branded

841
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:15,670
already rich I'm sorry you've rebranded

842
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:24,670
already we sure did take long going back

843
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:29,590
to yeah I knew Stanton back in the like

844
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:35,110
early seventies I remember going to hear

845
00:37:39,150 --> 00:37:37,630
a presentation I guess where they were

846
00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:39,160
going to talk about the Larry coin case

847
00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:41,260
and Jenni's I know was gonna be

848
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:45,880
presenting and I was with I met Stanton

849
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:50,170
at that time we had like a meal together

850
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:52,360
and we were you know shooting the breeze

851
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:54,520
he those guys where it was like he was

852
00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:58,570
extremely funny he could hit you with

853
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:01,270
pretty much any kind of logic and you'd

854
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:03,310
be like wow where did he pull that but

855
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:06,520
to me his uncanny ability to remember

856
00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:12,370
details and to investigate UFOs to the

857
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:14,380
enth degree with that level of

858
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:18,340
granularity was absolutely for me the

859
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:21,610
most impressive thing about Stan um he

860
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:22,570
uh

861
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:25,150
just had an impeccable gift for doing

862
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:27,430
his research in his homework very well

863
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:31,510
and then being able to you know we

864
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:34,810
recall that with an amazing level of

865
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:37,210
detail I there's a lot of us that loose

866
00:38:43,350 --> 00:38:41,200
those detail as we age and here he is he

867
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:43,360
knows all the details and can remember

868
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:47,170
him quite well so what a great loss I

869
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:50,130
think back to my history going back to

870
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:53,170
you know in the Dayton Ohio area and

871
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:56,550
just Project Blue Book and and knowing

872
00:39:01,110 --> 00:38:59,170
you know a lot like Hynek and

873
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,120
Stringfield I got to meet a lot of a lot

874
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:02,560
of Cajuns because he live just in

875
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:05,230
Cincinnati and others and Dayton these

876
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:07,510
were like and I met Kehoe you know and

877
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:08,890
these are the kind of people that you

878
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:10,450
know you think about when you think

879
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:13,390
about the earlier parts of UFO history

880
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:17,170
and I'm sitting here been going through

881
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:20,800
a lot of books and rechkalov remembering

882
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:23,470
Stanton's work I mean he's done a great

883
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:27,070
job of detailing this and then amazing

884
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:29,050
ability to be able to confront any

885
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:33,100
debunker on any level was always another

886
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:35,230
incredible thing I mean you know he

887
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:38,560
didn't mince words he would be able to

888
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:41,800
debate the best of them and and you

889
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:44,110
certainly couldn't argue with him just

890
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:46,570
an amazing guy that we will definitely

891
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:48,910
miss uh it was curious that he was

892
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:51,550
actually he said in his present and last

893
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:53,410
presentation that he was actually

894
00:40:00,140 --> 00:39:55,090
getting ready to write another book and

895
00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:00,150
I'd hope that somebody would be able to

896
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:02,860
know a little bit about that and could

897
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:05,590
somehow let us know where he was gonna

898
00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:08,650
go with that and maybe do something to

899
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:11,260
take his works and his information to

900
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:15,250
help make that a reality but he's gonna

901
00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:17,710
be missed by me and I know a lot of

902
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:20,920
others and thank you for allowing me to

903
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:25,390
share this and absolutely absolutely and

904
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:27,940
I believe that Steve Bassett is on with

905
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:29,350
us now as Steve are you there

906
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,070
I certainly am yeah Steve tell us a

907
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:34,800
little bit about your experience was

908
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:36,430
experiences with the greats

909
00:40:48,110 --> 00:40:43,840
Friedman experiences with oli I was a

910
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:48,120
colleague I didn't really get to know

911
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:51,970
Stan personally but certainly I

912
00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:56,710
encountered it many many times and I was

913
00:41:03,090 --> 00:40:59,980
aware of his importance and saw many of

914
00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:03,100
his lectures I have a couple of Stanton

915
00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:08,020
stories but one in particular is

916
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:16,360
interesting and in 19 2007 rather it was

917
00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:20,350
the 60th anniversary of Roswell I was

918
00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:22,780
speaking at the Roswell festival so with

919
00:41:29,730 --> 00:41:26,790
Stan he got there a little bit late

920
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:29,740
nobody noticed that but then a little

921
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:32,080
later in the conference the word had

922
00:41:36,780 --> 00:41:35,230
sort of gotten around that Stan who was

923
00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:36,790
you know spoke a lot went to a lot of

924
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:38,920
conferences traveled a lot and he lived

925
00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:41,830
up by thinking Halifax so it it's it

926
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:44,350
traveling out of there to down to the US

927
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,530
was not easy so he was on his way to the

928
00:41:51,810 --> 00:41:49,300
Pearson International Airport to fly to

929
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:51,820
Roswell my name is tired and he fell

930
00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:54,550
asleep at the wheel and he was on the

931
00:41:59,220 --> 00:41:56,500
highway and apparently he was very lucky

932
00:42:01,950 --> 00:41:59,230
but the car just slowly hatches they

933
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:01,960
slid to the right and then down an

934
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:04,990
embankment and flipped over and came to

935
00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:10,800
a screeching halt on its top and Stanton

936
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,350
got out of the car I'm just just

937
00:42:18,810 --> 00:42:16,240
moderately industry maybe injured a

938
00:42:19,730 --> 00:42:18,820
little soreness maybe but nothing

939
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:19,740
serious

940
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:22,630
got a ride to the airport and flew to

941
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:26,770
Roswell and gave his presentation and I

942
00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:30,370
thought that that was cool we could have

943
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,440
lost him and in 2007 he's like when you

944
00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:34,000
fall asleep put the car in the highway

945
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:40,620
sure you're very well and another story

946
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,150
way back in 2000 a 1997 this is the 50th

947
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:48,640
anniversary of Roswell

948
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:52,810
I was new in the field it only been in

949
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:55,510
it now for body about a year and three

950
00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:57,970
months or so forth not well-known but

951
00:43:02,970 --> 00:42:59,470
I'd done a couple of coast to coast with

952
00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:02,980
art bill and I went to Roswell I was

953
00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:05,320
working with Bob Dean he had a petition

954
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:07,720
the Roswell petition back then and we're

955
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:10,090
trying to get signatures to have the

956
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:14,350
government reveal the files on Roswell

957
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:16,510
which would have they really dump the

958
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:18,310
files out would have ended the truth

959
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,150
embargo and they had gathered a lot

960
00:43:27,570 --> 00:43:23,680
already we took a bunch of the petitions

961
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:27,580
to the 1997 festival we knew there's

962
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:29,080
gonna be twenty thirty forty thousand

963
00:43:33,330 --> 00:43:31,810
people there so would have been ideal so

964
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:33,340
we were giving out the petitions we had

965
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:35,430
a table of it but in the in the hotel I

966
00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:38,590
walked by the the restaurant at around

967
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,360
breakfast time and there was Anton

968
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:42,400
Friedman never met him sitting in a

969
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,810
booth across from Jesse Marcel jr. and I

970
00:43:50,970 --> 00:43:48,540
don't think I've met Jesse Marcel either

971
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:50,980
but I figure hmm this is a good

972
00:43:56,070 --> 00:43:53,380
opportunity so I walked on in and I

973
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:56,080
introduced myself and I sat down I'm

974
00:44:01,530 --> 00:43:58,570
sitting next to Jesse across from from

975
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:01,540
Stan and I started to explain this

976
00:44:08,310 --> 00:44:06,910
petition and back then Stan was pretty

977
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:08,320
conservative he's generally a

978
00:44:14,340 --> 00:44:13,030
conservative person to begin with he he

979
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:14,350
wasn't keen on the idea of the

980
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:16,750
government quote just telling the public

981
00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:21,430
about the et presence he felt that there

982
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:23,500
was a lot of national security stuff

983
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,540
there and secrecy that would undoubtedly

984
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:28,480
be jeopardized so he was certainly

985
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:32,230
wanted to to pursue the truth on it but

986
00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:33,790
as far as the government coming forward

987
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:35,500
and saying okay guess what he teased her

988
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,450
here he wasn't really down for that and

989
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:42,160
the funny thing is is that Jesse Marcel

990
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,680
in the middle of this discussion with

991
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:46,720
Stan and I didn't press him on it I

992
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:47,170
assure you

993
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:49,420
Jesse Marcel without saying a word just

994
00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:52,480
reaches over slides one of the petitions

995
00:45:01,410 --> 00:44:58,110
in front of himself and signs it and

996
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:01,420
what's interesting also is that years

997
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:02,510
later in the

998
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:04,970
years of Stan's life he was in fact

999
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:08,150
coming around on disclosure issue he was

1000
00:45:14,650 --> 00:45:10,760
making clear statements that it was time

1001
00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:14,660
for the government to to inform the

1002
00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:16,520
people of the truth of this et presence

1003
00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:19,790
not necessarily dump every secret out on

1004
00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:22,520
the White House lawn but he was I think

1005
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:24,710
down for disclosure and the saddest

1006
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:28,490
thing for me regarding Stan is because

1007
00:45:34,110 --> 00:45:30,410
he wasn't cheated in life he lived to be

1008
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:34,120
84 hit he had marriages he had children

1009
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:37,190
obviously he had passion and he worked

1010
00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:39,950
up to the last day of his life but he

1011
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:41,480
did not live to see disclosure

1012
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:44,120
like a number of colleagues didn't make

1013
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:47,750
it the truth embargo is now going into

1014
00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:51,020
it roughly its 72nd year they've managed

1015
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,200
to stretch it out and so the truth

1016
00:45:59,170 --> 00:45:57,680
embargo is outlived really many of the

1017
00:46:02,500 --> 00:45:59,180
Giants of the field and that always

1018
00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:02,510
pains me when that happens thank you

1019
00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:06,080
Steve for having shared that all of

1020
00:46:10,540 --> 00:46:08,060
those wonderful stories about the great

1021
00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:10,550
Stan Freedman and I wanted to let

1022
00:46:15,070 --> 00:46:12,740
everybody know that Steve is head of the

1023
00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:15,080
paradigm research group and Steve can

1024
00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:17,270
you please share with folks a little bit

1025
00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:19,700
about what you do I wanted to let

1026
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:22,100
everybody know that you lobby for us on

1027
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,930
behalf of the UFO community in

1028
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:26,480
Washington is that correct I have done

1029
00:46:32,110 --> 00:46:29,330
that I am a registered lobbyist I did I

1030
00:46:35,650 --> 00:46:32,120
registered in 96 first person to ever do

1031
00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:35,660
that and many years later just recently

1032
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:37,400
the second person registered is a

1033
00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:39,830
lobbyist on this issue and that is Chase

1034
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:44,150
klasky so we're the only two registered

1035
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:47,330
lobbyists why there aren't more I cannot

1036
00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:49,610
imagine but I guess it may be because

1037
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:55,400
the pay is so terrible and it's very

1038
00:46:59,770 --> 00:46:57,830
difficult people to listen to you but

1039
00:47:02,590 --> 00:46:59,780
that is only a small portion of what I

1040
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:02,600
do I am an activist and I use all

1041
00:47:09,010 --> 00:47:05,720
modalities particularly the media of

1042
00:47:10,930 --> 00:47:09,020
Lobby the media extensively I've also

1043
00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:10,940
given more interviews on the subject

1044
00:47:16,310 --> 00:47:15,080
than anybody living or dead way above a

1045
00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:16,320
thousand probably too

1046
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:18,870
1300 interviews of course this is this

1047
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:21,660
is a result of internet radio but wasn't

1048
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:23,130
very internet radio I could never get a

1049
00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:24,990
number like that I assure you but

1050
00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,790
everybody has a as you probably know

1051
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:28,680
everybody has an internet radio show now

1052
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:36,540
oh yeah and so educating the public and

1053
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:38,430
I've done a number of initiatives such

1054
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,020
as a citizen hearing on disclosure or

1055
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:42,960
the the X conference and so forth so my

1056
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:45,390
job has always been the political

1057
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:48,900
engagement of the issue to bring about

1058
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:51,510
formal disclosure formal confirmation by

1059
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:54,630
government by the heads of state some

1060
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,130
people think that's unnecessary

1061
00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:58,800
I disagree without that formal

1062
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:01,380
acknowledgment but there is a whole list

1063
00:48:07,130 --> 00:48:03,980
of things that isn't going to happen

1064
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:07,140
regarding this issue not the least of

1065
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:08,250
which it's not going to be taught in the

1066
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,960
universities and colleges which is still

1067
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,180
isn't not at all with only the tiniest

1068
00:48:16,340 --> 00:48:14,640
of exceptions the research money is not

1069
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:16,350
going to be available corporations are

1070
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:18,420
not going to get involved and contact

1071
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:21,650
these are still going to be considered

1072
00:48:27,590 --> 00:48:25,290
not believable by most people in other

1073
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:27,600
words it's just basically a giant lie

1074
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:30,950
and a giant lie of this magnitude

1075
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:35,220
invariably does not bear well the

1076
00:48:41,570 --> 00:48:37,980
outcomes are not good so that's what I

1077
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:41,580
do and in order to do this I draw upon

1078
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:43,500
the work of researchers I'm not a

1079
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:45,390
researcher you're not gonna see me out

1080
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,630
in the toolies looking for burn marks on

1081
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:50,700
the ground and getting bit by lots of

1082
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:54,000
mosquitoes that's not right I leave that

1083
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:56,490
to others and so the work of Stan

1084
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Friedman of course was like many very

1085
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:03,930
important to being able to do what I do

1086
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:10,260
and what's really probably mainstream

1087
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,290
scientists that operated during the

1088
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:15,660
early years the early decades of this

1089
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:19,740
issue there were three the three that I

1090
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:22,530
considered most important Alan Hynek was

1091
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:26,670
born in 1910 James McDonald the

1092
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:28,740
atmospheric scientist was born in 19 to

1093
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:29,910
20

1094
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:32,730
then Stanton Friedman who obviously was

1095
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:38,369
a nuclear physicist born in 1934 and in

1096
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:43,680
in that period from 1947 in 1968 the

1097
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:45,950
truth embargo that the government was

1098
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:49,890
putting enormous effort in to manage and

1099
00:50:00,130 --> 00:49:55,710
create was still in its early days the

1100
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:00,140
the lid wasn't completely on the pot and

1101
00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:06,000
obviously Hynek was having significant

1102
00:50:10,819 --> 00:50:08,849
impact because he had been an astronomy

1103
00:50:14,059 --> 00:50:10,829
professor he had been farted Smithsonian

1104
00:50:16,279 --> 00:50:14,069
he had top credentials he was brought in

1105
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:16,289
to Blue Book and then he changes his

1106
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,230
mind around 1967 it again so realized

1107
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:21,240
that there's a skunk in the woodpile on

1108
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:24,450
this and that was a blow to the to the

1109
00:50:35,779 --> 00:50:30,450
truth embargo James McDonald was a real

1110
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:35,789
problem for them because McDonald very

1111
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:38,609
early on before the truth embargo was

1112
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:41,700
well formed became quite convinced there

1113
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:43,890
was a true phenomena and he was going to

1114
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:46,529
prove it through very hard science he

1115
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:49,250
devoted huge amounts of his time to it

1116
00:50:54,019 --> 00:50:52,650
and most particularly McDonald was going

1117
00:50:57,700 --> 00:50:54,029
around the country speaking to

1118
00:51:00,140 --> 00:50:57,710
engineering and science groups and

1119
00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:00,150
telling him here's what's going on and

1120
00:51:04,579 --> 00:51:02,369
telling him in high scientific terms and

1121
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:04,589
that was a major problem for the truth

1122
00:51:13,609 --> 00:51:11,369
embargo Stanton turns up later and they

1123
00:51:15,289 --> 00:51:13,619
all come together in a in a very

1124
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:15,299
interesting time they come together the

1125
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:19,079
three of them in 1968 at the hearings in

1126
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:21,230
front of the house Aeronautics and

1127
00:51:25,339 --> 00:51:22,859
Technology Committee

1128
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:25,349
this is the last hearings on the UFO

1129
00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:27,630
subject in the United States Congress

1130
00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:30,150
the real subject not just looking for

1131
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:34,140
ETS in space and all three were involved

1132
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:37,529
in that hearing McDonald and Hynek

1133
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,510
actually testified in front of the

1134
00:51:43,210 --> 00:51:42,000
committee Stan Friedman submitted a

1135
00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:43,220
paper

1136
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:48,740
hearings were this was a significant

1137
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:51,290
symposium but it wasn't intended to end

1138
00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:54,050
and the truth embargo it was intended as

1139
00:52:00,430 --> 00:51:58,190
part of a wrap-up to ending the the the

1140
00:52:03,310 --> 00:52:00,440
government engagement of the issue it

1141
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:03,320
was sort of a a show put on by the

1142
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:07,130
Congress and by by the DoD that story

1143
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:09,560
hasn't been properly told but it was

1144
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:10,940
this moment when these three key

1145
00:52:18,910 --> 00:52:17,510
scientists came together and the this

1146
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:18,920
kind these kinds of scientists were

1147
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:22,160
providing a gravitas that kept this

1148
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:24,380
issue going forward because the nature

1149
00:52:28,450 --> 00:52:25,970
of the truth embargo was that a lot of

1150
00:52:30,070 --> 00:52:28,460
people were involved and some of them

1151
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:30,080
would have a lot of wild stuff when

1152
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:31,700
there was a lot of hoaxes and frauds and

1153
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:34,250
so forth and disinformation designed to

1154
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:37,670
certainly keep the issue under under

1155
00:52:43,180 --> 00:52:40,490
control but these three scientists would

1156
00:52:45,580 --> 00:52:43,190
not allow that to completely take hold

1157
00:52:49,390 --> 00:52:45,590
they kept providing that gravitas and

1158
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:49,400
then things changed what happened was

1159
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:51,290
that two years later there was another

1160
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:53,510
hearing on the supersonic transport and

1161
00:52:57,490 --> 00:52:56,570
McDonald mistakenly agreed to

1162
00:53:00,700 --> 00:52:57,500
participate

1163
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:00,710
he was an atmospheric scientist and he

1164
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:02,930
goes in front of the committee and one

1165
00:53:09,790 --> 00:53:06,890
of the congressmen did not make McDonald

1166
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:09,800
opposed the SST one of the congressmen

1167
00:53:17,470 --> 00:53:12,920
who would have had a lot of jobs created

1168
00:53:19,900 --> 00:53:17,480
because of that program decided to

1169
00:53:22,660 --> 00:53:19,910
undermine MacDonald by ridicule him

1170
00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:22,670
ridiculing him literally in front of the

1171
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:24,980
committee and the audience by talking

1172
00:53:30,609 --> 00:53:28,270
about his UFO stuff and little green men

1173
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:30,619
this was a huge embarrassment for

1174
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:33,950
MacDonald he returned home he had some

1175
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,119
other problems and just a a year later

1176
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:43,280
after that hearing in 70 he committed

1177
00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:45,770
suicide so he was gone that left just

1178
00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:49,700
Staunton and Allen Hynek Allen Hynek

1179
00:53:56,490 --> 00:53:52,670
continued to the very end to pursue this

1180
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:56,500
issue and he died in

1181
00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:00,430
86 and then that left just Staunton so I

1182
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:03,430
always viewed Stan as the rock he was

1183
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:05,410
the rock at the center of the

1184
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:07,420
extraterrestrial phenomena citizen

1185
00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:10,800
science movement he was conservative

1186
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:14,830
consistent solid debunkers and skeptics

1187
00:54:24,330 --> 00:54:19,240
could not penetrate him he he was not

1188
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:24,340
movable in that regard and he and

1189
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:27,610
because of that because of his gravitas

1190
00:54:32,820 --> 00:54:30,850
and his career he had the ability to do

1191
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:32,830
things many of the rate of researchers

1192
00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:36,730
could not do for instance he could get

1193
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,260
on programs back in those days that

1194
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,240
others could not get on because he was

1195
00:54:44,940 --> 00:54:42,640
obviously a solid person a solid

1196
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:44,950
scientist no problem bring bring Stan on

1197
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:48,130
but he did something else and and he

1198
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:50,320
told me about this once what he went

1199
00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:54,760
through to get his college lectures for

1200
00:54:57,570 --> 00:54:57,190
year after year after year for many many

1201
00:54:59,880 --> 00:54:57,580
years

1202
00:55:02,190 --> 00:54:59,890
Stan was sent out two letters a year to

1203
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,200
a long list of colleges then he had the

1204
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:04,000
I guess you could say the right contact

1205
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:07,150
the right door and he would ask about

1206
00:55:13,050 --> 00:55:10,900
being able to lecture and he had to set

1207
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,060
out a lot of a lot of letters to get

1208
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:15,280
just a couple of lectures but eventually

1209
00:55:20,190 --> 00:55:19,330
Stan did over 600 lectures on campus on

1210
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:20,200
this subject

1211
00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:23,020
nobody even remotely comes close to this

1212
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:25,480
and so in that sense he's bringing it

1213
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:27,730
into the academic community year after

1214
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:30,670
year after year a huge contribution and

1215
00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:32,920
then of course the huge contribution

1216
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:34,630
that he made because he was one of the

1217
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:37,930
first if not the first individuals to

1218
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:43,770
hear Jesse Marcel senior story 1978 and

1219
00:55:50,550 --> 00:55:47,500
yes 1978 ten years after that hearing in

1220
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:50,560
Congress in which Jesse Marcel in poor

1221
00:55:56,220 --> 00:55:54,250
health he died eight years later reveals

1222
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:56,230
what he knew about Roswell and the

1223
00:56:03,180 --> 00:55:59,140
Roswell story completely comes back into

1224
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:03,190
play and becomes probably the major most

1225
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:07,350
well known significant case in history

1226
00:56:12,099 --> 00:56:09,500
and of course

1227
00:56:15,099 --> 00:56:12,109
and became and it always was the

1228
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,109
Achilles heel of the US government cover

1229
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:17,359
of the truth embargo on this they always

1230
00:56:22,030 --> 00:56:19,670
knew that Roswell could be a massive

1231
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:22,040
problem for him if it ever got going and

1232
00:56:27,490 --> 00:56:25,250
if and maybe a Stan had not gotten to

1233
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:27,500
him when he did given his health it's

1234
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:29,330
possible that others might not up and

1235
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:31,670
and and the story might have died with

1236
00:56:40,690 --> 00:56:37,670
Jesse Marcel senior in 1986 which by the

1237
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:40,700
way is the same year that James McDonald

1238
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:44,200
died so I'm sorry not James McDonald

1239
00:56:51,580 --> 00:56:50,210
Jesse Marcel seems he here so let me

1240
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:51,590
give you a little history here and how

1241
00:56:57,130 --> 00:56:53,990
Stan played into it so that was a

1242
00:57:01,089 --> 00:56:57,140
significant contribution and then as the

1243
00:57:02,770 --> 00:57:01,099
years go by he he started to change his

1244
00:57:04,780 --> 00:57:02,780
views on disclosure in the last years of

1245
00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:04,790
his life I think he was in favor of it

1246
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:07,940
in the early years way back 20 or 25

1247
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:10,130
years ago he wasn't toward the end I

1248
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:11,300
think he felt it was time for the

1249
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:13,460
government to tell the truth and he

1250
00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:15,920
talked about that and then and I was so

1251
00:57:21,940 --> 00:57:18,140
pleased about this showing that

1252
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:21,950
Stanton's mine was was while firm not

1253
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:25,760
not without some flexibility not without

1254
00:57:31,060 --> 00:57:28,130
some openness he got involved in the

1255
00:57:33,970 --> 00:57:31,070
contact field he actually engaged in the

1256
00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:33,980
issue of extraterrestrial contact and

1257
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:36,710
abduction working with Kathleen Martin

1258
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:38,660
they wrote a book and so he was talking

1259
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:41,330
about that it was like a second second

1260
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,690
career in a way for him and so and

1261
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:47,359
that's just a just a sense of his

1262
00:57:55,540 --> 00:57:52,420
historical importance and and I I gave

1263
00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:55,550
one of the relatively first groups my

1264
00:57:59,470 --> 00:57:57,320
group paradigm research group gave him a

1265
00:58:03,430 --> 00:57:59,480
Hall of Fame Award at the first X

1266
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:03,440
conference in 2004 now almost 15 years

1267
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:06,050
ago and that's up on my website of

1268
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:07,690
course he's gotten other awards since

1269
00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:13,040
and after disclosure Stan will be one of

1270
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:15,500
the people of this field that will get

1271
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,690
many many accolades from around the

1272
00:58:23,850 --> 00:58:20,960
world his family will will undoubtedly

1273
00:58:27,340 --> 00:58:23,860
receive those on his behalf

1274
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:27,350
Hynek as well McDonald to but certainly

1275
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:31,670
Stan Freedman so his legacy is assured

1276
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:35,530
because disclosure chance is inhibited

1277
00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:38,090
that was wonderful thank you very much

1278
00:58:41,590 --> 00:58:40,420
and I think rich often would like to add

1279
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:41,600
jacque's

1280
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:45,710
Fabrice valet to that list of legendary

1281
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:48,640
folks you just went talked about and

1282
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:51,470
jacque's valet was a computer's fine he

1283
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:53,060
is the computer scientist venture

1284
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,370
capitalists author you apologist and

1285
00:58:59,170 --> 00:58:57,200
astronomer currently residing in San

1286
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:59,180
Francisco California definitely would

1287
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:01,280
add to that list of iconic people in the

1288
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:05,090
ethology thank you very much Steve for

1289
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,190
your time today we greatly appreciate it

1290
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:09,760
also wanted to share with folks

1291
00:59:17,310 --> 00:59:13,270
regarding what Steve said about the 600

1292
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:17,320
lectures that or the lectures data Stan

1293
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:21,440
gave at more than 600 colleges and 100

1294
00:59:25,090 --> 00:59:23,210
professional groups in 50 united states

1295
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:25,100
10 Canadian provinces in 18 other

1296
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:26,810
countries in addition to various nuclear

1297
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,120
consulting efforts he has published more

1298
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,280
than 90 UFO papers and appeared on

1299
00:59:35,980 --> 00:59:33,200
hundreds of radio and TV programs

1300
00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:35,990
including on Larry King in 2007 and

1301
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:38,740
twice and 2008 and many documentaries

1302
00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:42,380
wanted to see if our wonderful guest

1303
00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:44,990
Michael W Hall the paranormal lawyer and

1304
00:59:51,310 --> 00:59:46,670
head of the UFO i-team is on with us

1305
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:51,320
Michael are you here with us okay we

1306
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:54,920
might have a few audio issues going on

1307
00:59:59,230 --> 00:59:57,050
with Michael I know he can hear us but

1308
01:00:01,720 --> 00:59:59,240
for some reason we cannot hear him I

1309
01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:01,730
would like to ask the wonderful Earl

1310
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:04,520
Grey who is the chief investigator of

1311
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:05,900
the Southern California Chapter of

1312
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:07,850
California MUFON Earl how are you doing

1313
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:10,220
today hey there chant I'm doing really

1314
01:00:19,210 --> 01:00:13,280
well thank you very much for going on

1315
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:19,220
the show I need to know if you could

1316
01:00:23,470 --> 01:00:20,990
actually sorry about this down back

1317
01:00:25,060 --> 01:00:23,480
there it's my fault I wanted to know if

1318
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:25,070
you wouldn't mind sharing a little bit

1319
01:00:31,290 --> 01:00:26,690
about Stanton Friedman from your

1320
01:00:33,970 --> 01:00:31,300
perspective I would be honored to

1321
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:33,980
Stanton Friedman was one of the very

1322
01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:36,559
first ufologists that I

1323
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:39,559
ever met for many years I was kind of a

1324
01:00:45,849 --> 01:00:42,680
you know the couch investigator you know

1325
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:45,859
I I read a lot I read a lot of books

1326
01:00:51,729 --> 01:00:49,880
about ufology but I wasn't really you

1327
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,739
know I wasn't in the field we're just

1328
01:00:57,999 --> 01:00:53,119
kind of studying for my own personal

1329
01:01:01,199 --> 01:00:58,009
edification so when I it was about oh

1330
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:01,209
it's going on five years now when I

1331
01:01:09,609 --> 01:01:05,359
decided to become a MUFON field

1332
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:09,619
investigator and so it was I believe is

1333
01:01:17,229 --> 01:01:14,180
a 2014 symposium out in Irvine and I

1334
01:01:21,099 --> 01:01:17,239
just kind of I just become a field

1335
01:01:23,969 --> 01:01:21,109
investigator I started investigating in

1336
01:01:26,979 --> 01:01:23,979
a couple of cases for the first time and

1337
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:26,989
so I it was like well hey you know the

1338
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:29,930
symposiums literally in my backyard here

1339
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:34,089
I gotta go you know and so I I got to

1340
01:01:41,249 --> 01:01:37,430
the Irvine hotel now out in the city of

1341
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:41,259
Irvine in Southern California and I

1342
01:01:48,609 --> 01:01:43,729
opened the door walked in the first

1343
01:01:50,169 --> 01:01:48,619
person I saw was jr's and you know I

1344
01:01:53,709 --> 01:01:50,179
have to say you know I was a little

1345
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:53,719
star-struck at that time because I had

1346
01:01:57,459 --> 01:01:55,609
been reading about all these guys I've

1347
01:02:00,849 --> 01:01:57,469
been seeing people on television shows

1348
01:02:04,449 --> 01:02:00,859
and etc but I didn't really know how

1349
01:02:07,630 --> 01:02:04,459
approachable and how open and in kind a

1350
01:02:09,959 --> 01:02:07,640
lot of these people weren't and Jane

1351
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:09,969
fall of course falls into that category

1352
01:02:18,759 --> 01:02:13,609
but Stanton Friedman was was there at

1353
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:18,769
the symposium as well and you know he

1354
01:02:22,929 --> 01:02:20,900
had kind of a large group around him it

1355
01:02:27,039 --> 01:02:22,939
was after he had spoken he'd given his

1356
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:27,049
lecture and I kind of timidly went up to

1357
01:02:34,959 --> 01:02:29,689
Stanton with I I had a first edition

1358
01:02:37,569 --> 01:02:34,969
copy of his top-secret magic book and it

1359
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:37,579
was the one that it was the first

1360
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:40,880
edition so it didn't include his you

1361
01:02:46,479 --> 01:02:43,369
know he sort of did a redo on that book

1362
01:02:48,099 --> 01:02:46,489
and added to it and and he knew that it

1363
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:48,109
was kind of a controversial book as well

1364
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:49,750
you know

1365
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,010
when it came out there were some

1366
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:53,440
questions about the documents and all

1367
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:56,950
that so but anyway I waited until the

1368
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,420
crowd kind of thinned out and I

1369
01:03:05,849 --> 01:03:00,400
approached Stanton and and he was just

1370
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:05,859
the sweetest kindest guy myself at the

1371
01:03:12,510 --> 01:03:10,720
time being a new UFO investigator I was

1372
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:12,520
I was a little daunted you know coming

1373
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:14,170
up to this guy because he was sort of

1374
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:18,010
like the Grand Master of ufology I mean

1375
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:20,590
I think that we all kind of saw Stanton

1376
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:22,930
as sort of a living legend he was one of

1377
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,420
those guys like streams Neil

1378
01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:27,760
all the guys at rich Hoffman was just

1379
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:29,070
mentioning earlier

1380
01:03:37,050 --> 01:03:32,550
Stringfield and in Hynek and and and

1381
01:03:39,390 --> 01:03:37,060
just you know he was of that caliber and

1382
01:03:42,300 --> 01:03:39,400
and he he kind of took the subject of

1383
01:03:46,410 --> 01:03:42,310
UFOs and and he he made it so it was

1384
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:46,420
acceptable to talk about this on you

1385
01:03:54,690 --> 01:03:51,369
know in in every forum really so anyhow

1386
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:54,700
I I brought this book to Stanton and and

1387
01:04:00,089 --> 01:03:56,890
I introduced myself and he was just very

1388
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:00,099
approachable and kind and and he noticed

1389
01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:01,810
it was a first edition he said well this

1390
01:04:08,609 --> 01:04:06,060
this doesn't have my my the added

1391
01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:08,619
material that I that I added to the book

1392
01:04:14,180 --> 01:04:10,030
he said but what I could do is I could

1393
01:04:17,310 --> 01:04:14,190
always write it in the margins for you

1394
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:17,320
with you know I mean he was it he had

1395
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:19,089
that little twinkle in his eye and he is

1396
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:22,570
we were both laughing at it and I almost

1397
01:04:27,329 --> 01:04:24,670
took him up on it's like sure go ahead

1398
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:27,339
said I would be very honored but I'm

1399
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:29,170
looking at the book right now as I'm

1400
01:04:33,089 --> 01:04:31,119
talking with you guys and I'll never

1401
01:04:36,359 --> 01:04:33,099
forget you know just how kind

1402
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:36,369
approachable and dear he was and you

1403
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:38,050
know he just wrote and very simply you

1404
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:39,970
know best wishes to you Earl you know

1405
01:04:44,849 --> 01:04:42,700
and Stanton Friedman but how much that

1406
01:04:48,329 --> 01:04:44,859
means to me how much that book means to

1407
01:04:50,790 --> 01:04:48,339
me and that I got to meet him you know

1408
01:04:54,650 --> 01:04:50,800
when I first started out and now you

1409
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:54,660
know it's like 400 UFO cases later

1410
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:57,550
stanton means even more to me because of

1411
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:00,599
his adherence to the scientific method

1412
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:03,130
the way that in

1413
01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:05,650
and that he had an open mind throughout

1414
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:08,380
his whole life he had an open mind but

1415
01:05:15,090 --> 01:05:11,770
he would want to back he was willing to

1416
01:05:17,820 --> 01:05:15,100
accept the most outrageous things and in

1417
01:05:20,070 --> 01:05:17,830
our you know favored phenomena you know

1418
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,080
in the field but he would want to have

1419
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:22,240
the scientific backing he would want to

1420
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:22,720
have

1421
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:27,430
evidence-based scientist and and he

1422
01:05:35,010 --> 01:05:30,640
remained that way well now to his to his

1423
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:35,020
dying day so sadly that we lost him but

1424
01:05:39,330 --> 01:05:36,880
we have so much to learn from him he was

1425
01:05:44,010 --> 01:05:39,340
so worthy of our emulation of my

1426
01:05:46,260 --> 01:05:44,020
emulation I just you know I if you know

1427
01:05:48,990 --> 01:05:46,270
when I grow up I want to be like Stanton

1428
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:49,000
Friedman you know pretty much exactly

1429
01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:51,730
exactly yes and that's my personal

1430
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:53,460
anecdote you know it's funny I was

1431
01:05:59,010 --> 01:05:56,410
planning on spending time with him and

1432
01:06:02,430 --> 01:05:59,020
getting to know him this year at the

1433
01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:02,440
symposium it's strange how you know I

1434
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:05,230
worked with Kathleen Martin with with

1435
01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:08,970
the experience or research team and

1436
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:11,980
Irina Scott you know she was going to be

1437
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:14,230
on panels with with Stanton and and

1438
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,270
these and Denice Marcel is one of my

1439
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:18,400
closest dearest friends you know Jenice

1440
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:21,640
and her husband Jim or you know I just

1441
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:24,100
deer deer you know they're they're

1442
01:06:29,580 --> 01:06:25,750
friends that I just love to hang out

1443
01:06:31,110 --> 01:06:29,590
with you know and so I I was just kind

1444
01:06:33,060 --> 01:06:31,120
of planning and knowing that I was going

1445
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:33,070
to be hanging out with Stanton this year

1446
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:36,820
at the symposium and well that's was not

1447
01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:40,750
to be it was not to be but I feel so

1448
01:06:44,940 --> 01:06:42,790
honored that I did get to meet him that

1449
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:44,950
first time and he kind of set me on my

1450
01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:47,470
own course and that will always be

1451
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:54,790
meaningful and and touching wonderful go

1452
01:07:00,300 --> 01:06:57,430
ahead yeah let's let's bring in if we

1453
01:07:02,070 --> 01:07:00,310
could ray Hernandez ray can you come on

1454
01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:02,080
in please and share some of your

1455
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:05,950
thoughts about Stanton Friedman yes can

1456
01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:07,510
you hear me now I can hear you just fine

1457
01:07:13,170 --> 01:07:10,350
coming in loud and clear well I met

1458
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:13,180
Stanton through

1459
01:07:22,769 --> 01:07:17,770
our free board of director miss Kathleen

1460
01:07:26,670 --> 01:07:22,779
Martin and I met him at two different

1461
01:07:29,309 --> 01:07:26,680
conferences that we both spoke and Kathy

1462
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:29,319
was always like white on rice right next

1463
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:32,230
to Stanton all the time and as you know

1464
01:07:40,890 --> 01:07:34,920
they wrote I think three books together

1465
01:07:42,779 --> 01:07:40,900
and there were very dear friends and we

1466
01:07:45,539 --> 01:07:42,789
would go out to lunch together or to

1467
01:07:50,099 --> 01:07:45,549
dinner and he was just a gentleman he

1468
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:50,109
was a an absolute attentive kind dear

1469
01:07:58,319 --> 01:07:54,970
man and that others have said you know

1470
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,329
he was he was a scientist and he brought

1471
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:00,400
scientific credibility to this

1472
01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:03,130
phenomenon which is so very important

1473
01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:09,880
and he always seemed to keep a distance

1474
01:08:15,210 --> 01:08:12,339
to the experience or phenomenon because

1475
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:15,220
that's the work that that I've been

1476
01:08:21,660 --> 01:08:18,960
working on and Kathy and the other 15

1477
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:21,670
members of our free Board of Directors

1478
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:26,880
but he was very receptive to it because

1479
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:29,770
like many materialists you have a

1480
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:33,400
difficult time dealing with concepts

1481
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:36,420
that mainstream science cannot explain

1482
01:08:43,470 --> 01:08:39,600
like for example when he spoke about

1483
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:43,480
travel most of the time he mentioned

1484
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:49,920
travel via nuclear propulsion Rockets

1485
01:09:00,059 --> 01:08:54,239
getting you from you know one end of our

1486
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,069
galaxy to the other but when it came to

1487
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:02,799
things that the you know that that are

1488
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:06,400
just unexplainable he really had a

1489
01:09:10,829 --> 01:09:09,370
difficult time going there because you

1490
01:09:14,340 --> 01:09:10,839
know he's basically was a materialist

1491
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:14,350
science at heart but credit to mr.

1492
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:17,350
Friedman he was one of the pioneers

1493
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:18,790
together with some of the names that

1494
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:20,770
were mentioned before that when

1495
01:09:25,919 --> 01:09:22,330
mentioned when you mention his name

1496
01:09:28,919 --> 01:09:25,929
Stanton Friedman you put him up there we

1497
01:09:31,499 --> 01:09:28,929
you know Jacques Vallee with Allen Hynek

1498
01:09:35,459 --> 01:09:31,509
and and other the other major names in

1499
01:09:38,340 --> 01:09:35,469
ufology so it was a privilege and an

1500
01:09:41,579 --> 01:09:38,350
honor to have met him and I know that my

1501
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:41,589
dear friend Kathy Martin is very

1502
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:45,060
saddened by his passing

1503
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:47,710
thank you for those words all right I

1504
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,960
want everybody to know that Ray Allen on

1505
01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:52,239
this is co-founder of the dr. Edgar

1506
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:54,790
Mitchell Free Foundation and Ray could

1507
01:09:59,550 --> 01:09:56,440
you please share a few words about that

1508
01:10:02,399 --> 01:09:59,560
wonderful foundation that you have well

1509
01:10:06,899 --> 01:10:02,409
it's a foundation made up primarily of

1510
01:10:09,630 --> 01:10:06,909
retired academic PhDs and other

1511
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:09,640
individuals like like Kathy Martin who I

1512
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:14,530
mentioned before Leo sprinkle Mary rod

1513
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:19,320
well that that had an interest in in

1514
01:10:27,180 --> 01:10:23,920
pursuing the topic of not only UFO

1515
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:27,190
contact experiences but we're also

1516
01:10:33,149 --> 01:10:30,310
pursuing all of what we call the contact

1517
01:10:35,130 --> 01:10:33,159
modalities that's the topic of

1518
01:10:37,050 --> 01:10:35,140
consciousness the topic of near-death

1519
01:10:40,380 --> 01:10:37,060
experiences out-of-body experiences

1520
01:10:43,260 --> 01:10:40,390
remote viewing ghosts spirits and we

1521
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:43,270
have many other advisers and board

1522
01:10:49,709 --> 01:10:48,010
members like dr. Dean Radin dr. Jeffery

1523
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:49,719
long who's one of the most important

1524
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:55,210
near-death experience researchers Jerry

1525
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,100
Miculek was a consciousness research

1526
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,679
scholar and what we're trying to do is

1527
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:01,840
trying to understand what is the

1528
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:04,140
relationship between consciousness and

1529
01:11:11,959 --> 01:11:07,420
contact with non-human intelligence via

1530
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:11,969
the contact modalities in its it's a non

1531
01:11:19,140 --> 01:11:16,480
materialist approach so so that's why a

1532
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,150
lot of mainstream ufologists have such a

1533
01:11:24,180 --> 01:11:22,480
difficult time with it but people that

1534
01:11:28,169 --> 01:11:24,190
study out of body experiences remote

1535
01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:28,179
viewing ESP consciousness they they have

1536
01:11:34,590 --> 01:11:30,580
a very easy time because that know that

1537
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:34,600
they know that our reality is it's

1538
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:36,610
consciousness based non material based

1539
01:11:39,810 --> 01:11:39,489
so that's what we do thank you so much

1540
01:11:41,959 --> 01:11:39,820
for

1541
01:11:44,430 --> 01:11:41,969
we really appreciate your time today and

1542
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:44,440
those were such wonderful words that you

1543
01:11:48,359 --> 01:11:46,570
shared about Staunton with us today and

1544
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,369
I wanted to go ahead and bring on

1545
01:11:53,069 --> 01:11:50,800
someone we've been trying to reach we

1546
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:53,079
really love to listen to it's a great

1547
01:11:57,859 --> 01:11:55,449
Michael W Hall paranormal lawyer headed

1548
01:12:00,959 --> 01:11:57,869
the UFO i-team Michael are you with us

1549
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,969
yes Jan I'm here can you hear me oh we

1550
01:12:05,839 --> 01:12:02,800
can't you how are you you know I know

1551
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:05,849
that you're admitting McMinnville UFO

1552
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:08,710
convention out there and Oregon how's it

1553
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:12,880
going out there oh it's a fantastic

1554
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:15,130
conference just winding up this

1555
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:18,340
afternoon actually Frank and chant it

1556
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:22,060
was almost as if Stanton Friedman was

1557
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:24,250
here during the entire weekend because

1558
01:12:30,379 --> 01:12:26,290
it ended up being kind of a very

1559
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:30,389
family-friendly almost you eulogy

1560
01:12:38,879 --> 01:12:34,170
because all of the speakers were

1561
01:12:41,220 --> 01:12:38,889
mentioning you know Stan's passing and

1562
01:12:45,089 --> 01:12:41,230
kind of talking about stories regarding

1563
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:45,099
his life and his impact on ufology so it

1564
01:12:51,870 --> 01:12:48,329
was a really nice conference to go to

1565
01:12:54,569 --> 01:12:51,880
right after a major event like this in

1566
01:12:58,109 --> 01:12:54,579
ufology so that people could kind of

1567
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,119
give their perspective on an iconic

1568
01:13:05,370 --> 01:13:01,360
figure like Stanton Friedman and really

1569
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:05,380
appreciate his life thank you so much

1570
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:08,380
Michael I wanted to ask you a few

1571
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:09,940
questions about the conference route I

1572
01:13:16,919 --> 01:13:12,340
know that Peter Davenport was emcee of

1573
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:16,929
this event is that correct yes for the

1574
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:21,250
19th year in a row Peter Davenport was

1575
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:25,420
the iconic emcee for the entire event he

1576
01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:28,270
actually started out but this is the

1577
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,460
20th anniversary I think Peter said he

1578
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:33,040
missed one conference some there one

1579
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:35,290
year because of some major event in his

1580
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:38,290
life but er than that he has always been

1581
01:13:44,250 --> 01:13:42,460
the calming kind of eidetic effect

1582
01:13:46,109 --> 01:13:44,260
throughout the whole conference that

1583
01:13:48,629 --> 01:13:46,119
everyone really loves him down here and

1584
01:13:50,490 --> 01:13:48,639
or again and I'd like to see him come on

1585
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,500
kind of like grab the reins every year

1586
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:53,600
and bring all these fantastic speakers

1587
01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:55,850
to the event this was probably well it

1588
01:14:02,260 --> 01:13:59,000
was the very first event that they say

1589
01:14:06,430 --> 01:14:02,270
down here in McMinnville that they sold

1590
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:06,440
out all the tickets to this entire event

1591
01:14:15,460 --> 01:14:11,500
including the major speech and

1592
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:15,470
performance by Bob Lazar and Jeremy

1593
01:14:24,190 --> 01:14:20,800
Korbel and David flavor the commander of

1594
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:24,200
the fa-18 off of the Nimitz who saw the

1595
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:28,160
actual tic-tac UFO it was just like

1596
01:14:34,690 --> 01:14:31,610
hearing right from the horse's mouth all

1597
01:14:36,730 --> 01:14:34,700
of these amazing things that we've all

1598
01:14:39,820 --> 01:14:36,740
heard about in ufology but we had them

1599
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:39,830
all in one location this entire weekend

1600
01:14:44,620 --> 01:14:43,100
yes and you know um I'm wondering if you

1601
01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:44,630
had the opportunity to actually see

1602
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:48,230
Alejandro Rojas Karen Brewer and Stacey

1603
01:14:52,510 --> 01:14:50,750
Wright and Jim Mann were you able to

1604
01:14:53,950 --> 01:14:52,520
actually touch base with them because

1605
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:53,960
they were just on at the beginning of

1606
01:15:02,260 --> 01:14:58,250
the show paying tribute to Stanton yes I

1607
01:15:05,950 --> 01:15:02,270
got to hang out with Alejandro during

1608
01:15:09,010 --> 01:15:05,960
the day in between the speeches he was

1609
01:15:10,780 --> 01:15:09,020
he always is very gracious and willing

1610
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:10,790
to take you know whatever time it takes

1611
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:13,670
and to you know kind of bring you up to

1612
01:15:18,730 --> 01:15:15,770
speed so I was really pleased to be able

1613
01:15:21,490 --> 01:15:18,740
to talk with him at the conference as

1614
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:21,500
well Alejandro was kind of behind the

1615
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:23,210
scenes on this conference I was

1616
01:15:28,290 --> 01:15:24,800
surprised that they didn't ask him to

1617
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:28,300
speak but he kind of had a

1618
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:31,610
behind-the-scenes you know kind of

1619
01:15:37,980 --> 01:15:34,880
flavour himself and added to the the

1620
01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:37,990
conference you know star-studded

1621
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:40,670
atmosphere himself by being here so it

1622
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:43,730
was great to see him and the rest the

1623
01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:44,870
other speakers as well

1624
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:48,980
we even had just this morning what they

1625
01:15:53,950 --> 01:15:50,900
called the speakers breakfast which is

1626
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:53,960
most amazing event I've ever been at at

1627
01:16:01,180 --> 01:15:57,410
any UFO conference where these speakers

1628
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:01,190
actually rotate from table to table

1629
01:16:05,980 --> 01:16:04,070
probably about a 10 top you know round

1630
01:16:07,210 --> 01:16:05,990
tables were answered your questions

1631
01:16:08,980 --> 01:16:07,220
directly and take

1632
01:16:11,230 --> 01:16:08,990
selfies with you whatever you want so we

1633
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:11,240
just wound up with that a few hours ago

1634
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:15,650
and had to had a wonderful time kind of

1635
01:16:19,660 --> 01:16:17,420
following up with each of the speakers

1636
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:19,670
on their presentations with our personal

1637
01:16:25,900 --> 01:16:23,180
questions wonderful thank you so much

1638
01:16:28,150 --> 01:16:25,910
Michael for having taken a time I just I

1639
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:28,160
wanted to also mention the folks that I

1640
01:16:33,340 --> 01:16:31,190
believe my understanding that this is

1641
01:16:35,170 --> 01:16:33,350
the second time Bob Lazar has actually

1642
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:35,180
spoken at a conference the first time

1643
01:16:43,180 --> 01:16:37,850
was that Alejandro Rojas is and Karen

1644
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:43,190
Bernards UFO convention dot is at it was

1645
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,890
a UFO Megacon I believe and that was the

1646
01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:47,600
first time Bob Lazar spoke the second

1647
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:51,080
time was at McMinnville working at this

1648
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:53,480
UFO convention did you get a chance to

1649
01:17:00,370 --> 01:16:57,050
listen to him speak oh yes of course we

1650
01:17:03,190 --> 01:17:00,380
did it was a packed house you couldn't

1651
01:17:06,670 --> 01:17:03,200
find a standing-room-only position in

1652
01:17:09,550 --> 01:17:06,680
the entire venue probably a thousand

1653
01:17:12,730 --> 01:17:09,560
people or so crammed into the the

1654
01:17:15,550 --> 01:17:12,740
conference hall to hear Bob speak and it

1655
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:15,560
was just it was very good to hear it

1656
01:17:22,810 --> 01:17:19,610
right from his own mouth his words and

1657
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:22,820
his impressions of the of his

1658
01:17:27,730 --> 01:17:24,890
experiences because we've all heard the

1659
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,740
stories you know pros and cons and when

1660
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:30,800
you hear it from him personally it is

1661
01:17:37,180 --> 01:17:34,850
very very convincing okay wonderful

1662
01:17:38,830 --> 01:17:37,190
Michael thank you so very much for your

1663
01:17:41,170 --> 01:17:38,840
time I really appreciate your taking

1664
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:41,180
your time a time out of schedule that

1665
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:42,800
you have over there I know you've been

1666
01:17:49,060 --> 01:17:46,730
very busy going from one conference to

1667
01:17:52,330 --> 01:17:49,070
another and also spending a lot of time

1668
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:52,340
talking to people that you enjoy being

1669
01:17:55,630 --> 01:17:54,710
able to catch up with that you haven't

1670
01:17:59,080 --> 01:17:55,640
seen in a long time

1671
01:18:01,390 --> 01:17:59,090
I did have one last question for you do

1672
01:18:02,890 --> 01:18:01,400
you know is Peter Davenport going to be

1673
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:02,900
a little bit free a little bit later on

1674
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:04,640
today to join us before the end of the

1675
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:08,840
hour you know Peter has I just saw him

1676
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:12,560
and his giant Crown Victoria wagon take

1677
01:18:19,870 --> 01:18:16,730
out of the hotel parking lot so he's on

1678
01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:19,880
the road somewhere and I doubt that he

1679
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:20,520
would want

1680
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:23,010
to probably do it while he's driving so

1681
01:18:28,580 --> 01:18:26,490
I tried to get him scheduled in for you

1682
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:28,590
today because he would definitely wanted

1683
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,290
to have some nice words just to add to

1684
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:34,080
the eulogies that you're having today

1685
01:18:39,860 --> 01:18:37,050
about Stanton Friedman but I think the

1686
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:39,870
time is going to be tough for him okay

1687
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:41,610
well we really appreciate your time so

1688
01:18:46,540 --> 01:18:44,130
very much Michael and I hope that you

1689
01:18:50,180 --> 01:18:46,550
have a wonderful and safe trip back home

1690
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:50,190
and please tell the entire you foi team

1691
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:52,470
we said hello are they there by the way

1692
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:53,820
we just want to hear and say hello if

1693
01:19:01,760 --> 01:18:55,130
they happen to be right next to you

1694
01:19:05,150 --> 01:19:01,770
they're not my son is here Cameron just

1695
01:19:14,660 --> 01:19:05,160
say hi to Chen Frank hello Cameron how

1696
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,670
are you doing I'm doing very well yes

1697
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:16,080
please tell us just a little bit about

1698
01:19:21,230 --> 01:19:17,550
it for yourself we'd love to hear about

1699
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:21,240
it oh it was a great family-friendly

1700
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:24,410
event you know there was many speakers

1701
01:19:30,170 --> 01:19:26,790
from what was it Frank

1702
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:30,180
what was his first name that the guy who

1703
01:19:36,710 --> 01:19:33,360
talked about the Star Wars stuff oh yeah

1704
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,720
he was a professor Finkelman right David

1705
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:38,640
Franken Finkelman was a professor at

1706
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:39,930
Lynn field and had a really good

1707
01:19:46,580 --> 01:19:42,810
presentation along with Bob Lazar and

1708
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:46,590
you know George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel

1709
01:19:53,150 --> 01:19:49,140
it was just a huge event so many topics

1710
01:20:01,480 --> 01:19:53,160
ranging from philosophy to forensic

1711
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:05,240
event actually well we would love to

1712
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:07,770
hear about that from you if you get a

1713
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:12,210
chance to join Michael is wonderful talk

1714
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:14,820
show with the UFO IT Michael can you

1715
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,930
tell everybody about that show a little

1716
01:20:21,020 --> 01:20:17,520
bit and also what websites to go to

1717
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,030
regarding that oh sure thank you we do

1718
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:23,460
livestream our weekly meetings at the

1719
01:20:33,290 --> 01:20:28,620
UFO I people live from Denny Monday

1720
01:20:34,069 --> 01:20:33,300
night from 6 to 8 p.m. Pacific Standard

1721
01:20:36,469 --> 01:20:34,079
Time

1722
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:36,479
so they just go to Facebook and punch in

1723
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:39,329
UFO I team with a lowercase hi and

1724
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:42,209
they'll find us all over that Facebook

1725
01:20:47,509 --> 01:20:44,729
channel and we have people joining us

1726
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:47,519
from all over the world and interacting

1727
01:20:54,619 --> 01:20:50,639
with us at our Facebook live meetings

1728
01:20:56,599 --> 01:20:54,629
that way it's a lot of fun okay thank

1729
01:20:59,060 --> 01:20:56,609
you so much for spending time with us

1730
01:21:02,089 --> 01:20:59,070
today we're very appreciative of that we

1731
01:21:06,169 --> 01:21:02,099
also have the wonderful Dean Alioto I

1732
01:21:11,540 --> 01:21:06,179
wanted to see if he's on with us Dean

1733
01:21:13,879 --> 01:21:11,550
are you here with us I'm sorry let our

1734
01:21:15,649 --> 01:21:13,889
listeners know Dean is the movie

1735
01:21:18,009 --> 01:21:15,659
director of crushing Eden an alien

1736
01:21:20,899 --> 01:21:18,019
abduction incident in Lake County and

1737
01:21:22,219 --> 01:21:20,909
wanted to ask Dean can you please share

1738
01:21:25,489 --> 01:21:22,229
a little bit about yourself for our

1739
01:21:31,329 --> 01:21:25,499
listeners sure I'm a filmmaker first and

1740
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:31,339
foremost and an avid UFO researcher

1741
01:21:35,419 --> 01:21:34,050
that's kind of like my Clark Kent my

1742
01:21:39,169 --> 01:21:35,429
Superman role would probably be

1743
01:21:41,299 --> 01:21:39,179
filmmaking first I got into making

1744
01:21:43,939 --> 01:21:41,309
movies with my first film right out of

1745
01:21:46,639 --> 01:21:43,949
film school called UFO abduction which

1746
01:21:49,849 --> 01:21:46,649
was the first found footage film it just

1747
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:49,859
happened to be about UFOs because I had

1748
01:21:55,879 --> 01:21:52,050
read communion and some of but Hopkins

1749
01:21:58,699 --> 01:21:55,889
work and definitely about Roswell and

1750
01:22:02,349 --> 01:21:58,709
Stanton's work in that and I decided to

1751
01:22:05,869 --> 01:22:02,359
incorporate that into a micro budget

1752
01:22:07,609 --> 01:22:05,879
movie which our budget was only 6,500

1753
01:22:09,409 --> 01:22:07,619
bucks so I made up basically a home

1754
01:22:11,779 --> 01:22:09,419
video and that's kind of how the whole

1755
01:22:14,449 --> 01:22:11,789
found-footage thing started so I made

1756
01:22:16,399 --> 01:22:14,459
this thing and it was about a family and

1757
01:22:18,469 --> 01:22:16,409
a cabin celebrating a girls

1758
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:18,479
five-year-old birthday party and then

1759
01:22:23,169 --> 01:22:20,729
one by one they get abducted and so it

1760
01:22:28,939 --> 01:22:23,179
was all shot at once and Wednesday and

1761
01:22:30,199 --> 01:22:28,949
the movie got distributed and and then

1762
01:22:32,899 --> 01:22:30,209
the distribution company burn in the

1763
01:22:34,429 --> 01:22:32,909
ground I lost all my main master in

1764
01:22:36,589 --> 01:22:34,439
artwork I thought that was it and then

1765
01:22:38,779 --> 01:22:36,599
five years later I got a call from this

1766
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:38,789
guy saying do you know what's been going

1767
01:22:43,449 --> 01:22:41,280
on with your film and I said you know

1768
01:22:45,739 --> 01:22:43,459
what are you talking about he said well

1769
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:45,749
there's a copy that's been circulating

1770
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:47,210
around that

1771
01:22:50,620 --> 01:22:48,560
we went to a home video like a

1772
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:50,630
mom-and-pop home video store they got an

1773
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:51,890
advance screening before the warehouse

1774
01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:56,450
burned down so long story short someone

1775
01:23:00,970 --> 01:22:58,280
edited off the credits and injected into

1776
01:23:02,650 --> 01:23:00,980
the UFO community as the real thing so

1777
01:23:04,300 --> 01:23:02,660
it ends up at the International UFO

1778
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:04,310
Congress convention and I believe

1779
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:09,110
ninety-two and and so they were trying

1780
01:23:14,860 --> 01:23:11,930
to track down anyone who knew about it

1781
01:23:16,540 --> 01:23:14,870
and I said you know well I I did it they

1782
01:23:18,940 --> 01:23:16,550
said well unsolved mysteries was

1783
01:23:20,050 --> 01:23:18,950
interested and I said okay I guess

1784
01:23:21,850 --> 01:23:20,060
they're out because a mystery is over

1785
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:21,860
and the guy who did this his name was

1786
01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:24,800
Sean David Morton the infamous Sunday

1787
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:27,140
morning and he said well not necessarily

1788
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:28,250
and I said no the mystery has been

1789
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:29,540
solved what else do we have

1790
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:34,370
and so he said encounters Fox wants to

1791
01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:36,410
do a special on it so I went and did

1792
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:39,830
that and then a few years later I did a

1793
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:43,250
remake for UPN it was her first European

1794
01:23:49,450 --> 01:23:45,920
TV their first TV movie with Dick Clark

1795
01:23:52,420 --> 01:23:49,460
and and that one was called the original

1796
01:23:55,959 --> 01:23:52,430
title was called the McPherson tape and

1797
01:23:58,090 --> 01:23:55,969
then we went up and shot it in Vancouver

1798
01:24:00,100 --> 01:23:58,100
now our budget was one point two five

1799
01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:00,110
nine we got the guys from the x-files

1800
01:24:05,380 --> 01:24:02,180
through the ship in the aliens it is

1801
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,390
essentially the same story and while we

1802
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:08,080
were shooting everyone got fired at UPN

1803
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:11,870
so we came back with the first digital

1804
01:24:17,020 --> 01:24:14,930
movie the first TV movie that had no

1805
01:24:20,380 --> 01:24:17,030
name actors in it that had 20 men takes

1806
01:24:22,570 --> 01:24:20,390
that was handheld looking like a home

1807
01:24:25,690 --> 01:24:22,580
video and it was easy for the new regime

1808
01:24:29,140 --> 01:24:25,700
at UPN to kind of crap all over us and

1809
01:24:31,209 --> 01:24:29,150
so um they cut it down they hired

1810
01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:31,219
someone else they fired us hired someone

1811
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:32,630
else to cut it from the two-hour movie

1812
01:24:37,930 --> 01:24:35,810
to a one-hour and this woman producer

1813
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:37,940
came on board who took over decided that

1814
01:24:43,180 --> 01:24:39,650
she was going to get a whole bunch of

1815
01:24:46,780 --> 01:24:43,190
real interviews with actual people like

1816
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:46,790
Yvonne Smith Derrel Sims and the great

1817
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:50,690
Stan Freeman so she got them to comment

1818
01:24:54,430 --> 01:24:53,090
on the UFO phenomenon in general and

1819
01:24:57,230 --> 01:24:54,440
then intercut it so look like they were

1820
01:25:00,260 --> 01:24:57,240
commenting on my film

1821
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:00,270
so it was very deceptive something I

1822
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:03,300
never would have ever condemned I didn't

1823
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:07,850
see it until it aired and and so

1824
01:25:12,290 --> 01:25:10,650
flash-forward 25 years later and I get

1825
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:12,300
invited to go last year to the

1826
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,190
International UFO Congress convention

1827
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:16,080
for the 25th anniversary of UFO

1828
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:18,600
abduction and so my first experience

1829
01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:21,300
that first day was sitting across from

1830
01:25:27,530 --> 01:25:25,170
Stan Freeman with Travis Walton and all

1831
01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:27,540
these other luminaries and I got a

1832
01:25:33,050 --> 01:25:30,450
chance to apologize to him and so I said

1833
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:33,060
hey Stan just wanted to say I'm really

1834
01:25:37,340 --> 01:25:35,970
sorry I had nothing to do with you know

1835
01:25:39,530 --> 01:25:37,350
with hearing abduction it's in Lake

1836
01:25:42,620 --> 01:25:39,540
County sorry that you were co-opted into

1837
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:42,630
that and then I waited for him to say

1838
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:44,970
either yeah I've been really pissed off

1839
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:47,250
about that are you no don't worry about

1840
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:50,940
it instead he said basically son do you

1841
01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:53,670
know how many interviews and how many

1842
01:25:59,420 --> 01:25:56,820
shows I've done I can't keep track of

1843
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:59,430
all that don't worry about it one bit

1844
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,980
it's totally fine I've done thousands of

1845
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:04,080
these things and you never know where

1846
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:07,770
it's gonna go let that go and so it was

1847
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:10,110
very gracious of him and then I got a

1848
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:14,330
chance to engage in talking to him about

1849
01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:17,250
my favorite theme flying saucers I would

1850
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:19,320
always refer to that and talk about

1851
01:26:27,050 --> 01:26:22,650
Roswell and he was someone who loved a

1852
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:27,060
good debate loved a great challenge he

1853
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:28,980
had certain catchphrases that he would

1854
01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:32,370
use over and over and and and if it

1855
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:37,340
wasn't for him Philip Glass the precious

1856
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:41,040
nefarious debunker probably would not

1857
01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,930
have been kept in check as much as as he

1858
01:26:47,210 --> 01:26:44,760
did because thanks to Larry King who

1859
01:26:52,130 --> 01:26:47,220
would bring him on to counter Philip

1860
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:52,140
Glass you know I look and there's dr.

1861
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:55,050
Stanton and except for maybe Jacques

1862
01:26:59,600 --> 01:26:57,480
Vallee I'm not sure you know who's going

1863
01:27:03,410 --> 01:26:59,610
to pick up the mantle but he was a

1864
01:27:07,130 --> 01:27:03,420
wonderful man and and his his his loss

1865
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:07,140
will be felt thank you for those words

1866
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:10,590
Dean I really think that what you had to

1867
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:11,100
say was

1868
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:13,650
is absolutely relevant and wonderful and

1869
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:15,300
I wanted to know if you had any other

1870
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:16,650
stories you wanted to share about

1871
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:24,270
standing you know when I was there's a

1872
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:26,490
section at the UFO convention where

1873
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,260
you're seated with a bunch of other UFO

1874
01:27:36,020 --> 01:27:32,760
researchers and I had to do a lecture

1875
01:27:38,150 --> 01:27:36,030
there and Stan was there and he's got

1876
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:38,160
all of his stuff all spread out he sits

1877
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:40,890
there and he kind of goes into and also

1878
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:43,110
Travis would do this they kind of gone

1879
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:45,420
to this hibernation mode where they just

1880
01:27:49,250 --> 01:27:47,610
kind of like shut down and then someone

1881
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:49,260
will come up walk up and then boom he's

1882
01:27:55,390 --> 01:27:49,760
up

1883
01:27:58,700 --> 01:27:55,400
working so hard I think it was 83 or 84

1884
01:28:02,240 --> 01:27:58,710
but he just could not do it

1885
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:02,250
he loved getting out in the world and

1886
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:05,100
loved great intellectual conversations

1887
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,850
and and wasn't explored and so seeing

1888
01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:10,800
him over there doing this it was

1889
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:13,440
intimidating because you know there's

1890
01:28:21,710 --> 01:28:17,120
someone that has more energy more

1891
01:28:26,420 --> 01:28:21,720
vitality was coherent and as sharp as

1892
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,430
they come and so you know again I know

1893
01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:28,800
that was really fun to see he and then

1894
01:28:35,500 --> 01:28:30,750
and then next him would be Travis Walton

1895
01:28:37,370 --> 01:28:35,510
playing the guitar and singing this real

1896
01:28:41,450 --> 01:28:37,380
thing

1897
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:41,460
so was a it was a I'm just honored to

1898
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:44,820
have been you know in his orbit that's

1899
01:28:47,810 --> 01:28:45,750
wonderful

1900
01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:47,820
Stan Friedman is the original civilian

1901
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:49,710
investigator of the Roswell incident and

1902
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:52,170
co-author crash at Corona the definitive

1903
01:28:56,530 --> 01:28:54,570
study of the Roswell incident I just

1904
01:28:59,180 --> 01:28:56,540
wanted to share a few facts in between

1905
01:29:02,180 --> 01:28:59,190
guests so people can learn a little bit

1906
01:29:03,950 --> 01:29:02,190
more about Stan and Dean thank you so

1907
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:03,960
very much for your time you're welcome

1908
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:05,610
to stay on the show with us if you'd

1909
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:08,190
like but having had the opportunity to

1910
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:10,080
listen to you talk about Stannis a

1911
01:29:15,530 --> 01:29:13,050
really wonderful opportunity thanks a

1912
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:15,540
lot the appreciate it Frank oh my

1913
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:15,960
pleasure

1914
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:19,170
I wanted to share a little bit about

1915
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:21,650
Stan also regarding

1916
01:29:27,100 --> 01:29:25,040
other things his top-secret magic his

1917
01:29:29,890 --> 01:29:27,110
controversial book about the magic 12

1918
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:29,900
group established in 1947 to deal with

1919
01:29:34,810 --> 01:29:32,900
alien technology was published in 1996

1920
01:29:36,970 --> 01:29:34,820
and went through six printings and

1921
01:29:39,550 --> 01:29:36,980
expanded new edition was published in a

1922
01:29:42,430 --> 01:29:39,560
five stan was presented with a lifetime

1923
01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:42,440
UFO Achievement Award in Leeds England

1924
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,790
in 2002 by UFO magazine of the UK he's

1925
01:29:51,939 --> 01:29:49,040
co-author with he was co-author with

1926
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:51,949
kathleen martin betty hills niece of a

1927
01:29:56,859 --> 01:29:54,800
book in 2007 captured the Betty and

1928
01:29:59,379 --> 01:29:56,869
Barney Hill UFO experience wanted to

1929
01:30:01,689 --> 01:29:59,389
bring on a were you before you do that

1930
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:01,699
chant let me jump in really quick here

1931
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:03,710
I'll I'll say my two cents about Stanton

1932
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:05,210
Friedman but I want to thank you dan

1933
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:07,520
Alioto from the interview that you did

1934
01:30:13,209 --> 01:30:10,489
with us the very early part of this year

1935
01:30:14,979 --> 01:30:13,219
it was actually very helpful I think

1936
01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:14,989
we've done better shows I don't know

1937
01:30:19,390 --> 01:30:17,540
yeah I'm sure you didn't intend it but

1938
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,400
actually talk to you about that putting

1939
01:30:23,709 --> 01:30:21,679
together stories and structures and how

1940
01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:23,719
important that was that has helped us

1941
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:26,630
get our shows a lot more organized so I

1942
01:30:29,919 --> 01:30:28,010
want to go ahead and thank you

1943
01:30:31,870 --> 01:30:29,929
personally Dean Alioto for doing that

1944
01:30:32,970 --> 01:30:31,880
for us I don't think you intended it but

1945
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:32,980
it worked out that way

1946
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:36,650
well I am very very honored and I will

1947
01:30:45,550 --> 01:30:38,690
be setting my bill for 10% of all the

1948
01:30:49,149 --> 01:30:45,560
projects that I can you know do to

1949
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:49,159
advocate I mean here's the thing the

1950
01:30:54,669 --> 01:30:52,880
research has been done forever I mean

1951
01:30:56,050 --> 01:30:54,679
starting in the 40s it really began

1952
01:30:57,459 --> 01:30:56,060
there and it might have been you know

1953
01:30:59,169 --> 01:30:57,469
beforehand they probably didn't know

1954
01:31:01,839 --> 01:30:59,179
what to call it like the miracle at

1955
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:01,849
Fatima and all these other events that

1956
01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:05,210
have happened but for me what I kind of

1957
01:31:12,370 --> 01:31:07,880
hope to bring to the genre if you will

1958
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:12,380
is is levity when when Alejandro Rojas

1959
01:31:15,220 --> 01:31:14,210
said you know he'd come out and speak at

1960
01:31:18,839 --> 01:31:15,230
the convention I was a little bit

1961
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:18,849
nervous because this field is rife with

1962
01:31:24,820 --> 01:31:22,570
conspiracy theories and and the big coin

1963
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:24,830
the big term that's been coined to death

1964
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:27,170
is the radical you don't want to go all

1965
01:31:30,910 --> 01:31:29,090
the way in the rabbit Hall you want to

1966
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:30,920
leave at least some breadcrumbs for

1967
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:31,980
yourself

1968
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:35,250
and and the the best researchers do that

1969
01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:37,050
everything has always challenged their

1970
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:39,630
revisiting and stance certainly did that

1971
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:44,940
and so come out speak and and it'll be

1972
01:31:48,890 --> 01:31:46,650
great everyone's got a good sense of

1973
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:48,900
humor and and they you know they enjoy

1974
01:31:54,230 --> 01:31:52,290
things and so I did and found everyone

1975
01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:54,240
to be terrific and the shows that you

1976
01:32:00,890 --> 01:31:57,540
guys are doing are really fun and have a

1977
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:00,900
great you know spirit about them and and

1978
01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:02,880
you're keeping it alive and keeping the

1979
01:32:07,580 --> 01:32:04,980
discussion going which is what needs to

1980
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:07,590
happen Thank You Dean I wanted to share

1981
01:32:11,150 --> 01:32:09,330
a little story about Dean a real quick

1982
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:11,160
and that is a you know Here I am

1983
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:13,410
interviewing people it was a text-based

1984
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:15,930
form of interviewing last year and

1985
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:17,490
really what that means is I just

1986
01:32:22,220 --> 01:32:19,860
submitted a series of written questions

1987
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:22,230
to folks and then hoped they would

1988
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:25,530
respond and some of the first people to

1989
01:32:30,890 --> 01:32:28,170
kindly respond to my interview requests

1990
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:30,900
Jan harson who I've interviewed multiple

1991
01:32:36,230 --> 01:32:34,560
times and real privilege to have been

1992
01:32:38,570 --> 01:32:36,240
able to do that he came forward and

1993
01:32:41,690 --> 01:32:38,580
kindly allowed an interview with him and

1994
01:32:43,940 --> 01:32:41,700
then also Dean I reached out to Dean and

1995
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:43,950
very meekly asked him if he would

1996
01:32:49,970 --> 01:32:46,530
consider an interview with me and he was

1997
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:49,980
just so kind and generous you know with

1998
01:32:56,620 --> 01:32:53,190
himself regarding is the discretionary

1999
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:56,630
time to actually have spent answering

2000
01:33:02,900 --> 01:32:59,360
whatever questions he felt he could

2001
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,910
actually what he did was he he decided

2002
01:33:08,150 --> 01:33:05,040
to forego the text-based interview and

2003
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:08,160
did a real live interview with me and

2004
01:33:11,420 --> 01:33:09,900
I've had two interviews with him this is

2005
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:11,430
the third time I've had the opportunity

2006
01:33:17,980 --> 01:33:13,740
to talk to him and they just want to

2007
01:33:21,020 --> 01:33:17,990
thank you for you know being so

2008
01:33:23,330 --> 01:33:21,030
benevolent regarding you know who you

2009
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:23,340
are you're a high profile person you've

2010
01:33:27,770 --> 01:33:26,010
had a lot of exposure in the media you

2011
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:27,780
know a lot of folks out there you have a

2012
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:30,450
lot of contacts and everybody loves you

2013
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:32,970
and they love your work and we just

2014
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:34,530
really appreciate your having taken the

2015
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:37,650
time to spend with us today are you sure

2016
01:33:45,220 --> 01:33:38,850
you're talking about me you're not Steve

2017
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:45,230
ambassador yes he's here

2018
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:46,400
still listening yep yeah I think he's

2019
01:33:52,900 --> 01:33:48,650
still mine come on my head's already too

2020
01:33:54,490 --> 01:33:52,910
big don't make another for me was

2021
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:54,500
sitting across from him because he was

2022
01:34:00,610 --> 01:33:56,770
there as well as Stan and then it was a

2023
01:34:02,860 --> 01:34:00,620
Steven and it was again you know Stevens

2024
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:02,870
a machine I mean this guy you can put

2025
01:34:06,910 --> 01:34:04,010
him anywhere and he can talk

2026
01:34:09,790 --> 01:34:06,920
intelligently across the board on on

2027
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:09,800
everything and you know these guys on

2028
01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:12,410
the front line you know constantly out

2029
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:14,390
there and everything and so you know I

2030
01:34:28,030 --> 01:34:18,650
tried to desperately bring a unique take

2031
01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,040
to it and so you know that's exciting is

2032
01:34:33,460 --> 01:34:30,560
that every year things change and evolve

2033
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:33,470
and you know whether through science our

2034
01:34:40,780 --> 01:34:36,770
you know technology and and the thing

2035
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:40,790
that happened you know last December was

2036
01:34:44,490 --> 01:34:42,410
last December a year ago last year ago

2037
01:34:47,229 --> 01:34:44,500
December already got it went by fast

2038
01:34:49,660 --> 01:34:47,239
it's a game-changer and it validates a

2039
01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:49,670
lot for all of us and so I think that's

2040
01:34:55,330 --> 01:34:52,190
you know I think the timing is is good

2041
01:34:57,900 --> 01:34:55,340
you know for this to get out but anyway

2042
01:35:02,170 --> 01:34:57,910
thank you you flatter me beyond belief

2043
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:02,180
and beyond well yes and we are very

2044
01:35:06,340 --> 01:35:03,650
grateful to have you on also would like

2045
01:35:07,690 --> 01:35:06,350
to think we're not we're not ending the

2046
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:07,700
show I just want to thank our guests

2047
01:35:11,140 --> 01:35:09,650
though right now for having been just as

2048
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:11,150
generous about their time and as

2049
01:35:15,940 --> 01:35:13,970
accessible as Stanton Stanton went out

2050
01:35:17,860 --> 01:35:15,950
of his way to make sure that he was an

2051
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:17,870
exclusive only to a few people but the

2052
01:35:21,610 --> 01:35:19,970
many so we thank you for your time and

2053
01:35:23,260 --> 01:35:21,620
please do stay on the show with us I

2054
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,270
wanted to bring on a really wonderful

2055
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:25,280
person onto the show her name is dr.

2056
01:35:28,450 --> 01:35:26,210
Irina Scott

2057
01:35:30,610 --> 01:35:28,460
she's an American opera and physiologist

2058
01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:30,620
she received her BS from Ohio State

2059
01:35:35,050 --> 01:35:32,780
University and MS from the University of

2060
01:35:37,060 --> 01:35:35,060
Nevada and a PhD from the University of

2061
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:37,070
Missouri in the department of veterinary

2062
01:35:43,210 --> 01:35:40,010
medicine her post doctoral studies were

2063
01:35:44,830 --> 01:35:43,220
done at Cornell University and it's just

2064
01:35:47,290 --> 01:35:44,840
a real pleasure and honor for me to

2065
01:35:49,450 --> 01:35:47,300
introduce her onto the show I would also

2066
01:35:52,540 --> 01:35:49,460
like to mention a book that she wrote

2067
01:35:55,420 --> 01:35:52,550
before we start talking to her she's

2068
01:35:57,580 --> 01:35:55,430
written a few books she also is a

2069
01:35:59,020 --> 01:35:57,590
historian regarding Ohio one of the

2070
01:36:01,029 --> 01:35:59,030
books is seventy years

2071
01:36:02,649 --> 01:36:01,039
of Lies in this information and

2072
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:02,659
government cover-up and she'll go ahead

2073
01:36:07,180 --> 01:36:04,010
and mention another book that she wrote

2074
01:36:08,919 --> 01:36:07,190
recently dr. Irena Scott it's a pleasure

2075
01:36:11,290 --> 01:36:08,929
to have you on our show today are you

2076
01:36:14,799 --> 01:36:11,300
there with us certainly is an honor to

2077
01:36:17,470 --> 01:36:14,809
be here thank you how are you oh just

2078
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,480
fine I mentioned one of your books it's

2079
01:36:21,370 --> 01:36:19,520
called UFO today seventy years of Lies

2080
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:21,380
misinformation and government cover-up

2081
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:25,250
can you please mention the other another

2082
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:28,489
one is sacred corridors in this went

2083
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:31,610
into detail about Project Blue Book and

2084
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:33,770
I had a lot of original documents and I

2085
01:36:39,310 --> 01:36:36,110
also had a number of original

2086
01:36:45,790 --> 01:36:39,320
publications of dr. hynix

2087
01:36:47,649 --> 01:36:45,800
and written letters that's wonderful yes

2088
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,659
also would you mind please sharing a

2089
01:36:51,490 --> 01:36:49,520
little bit about yourself oh one thing I

2090
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:51,500
want to tell our listeners before you

2091
01:36:56,410 --> 01:36:54,770
talk a little bit about yourself is you

2092
01:36:59,260 --> 01:36:56,420
have worked so hard

2093
01:37:01,720 --> 01:36:59,270
regarding being a researcher in the

2094
01:37:05,229 --> 01:37:01,730
realm of ufology and other phenomena

2095
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:05,239
you've literally spent decades spending

2096
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:08,030
your own money and I don't honestly

2097
01:37:14,589 --> 01:37:12,650
think that you know to me from my

2098
01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:14,599
perspective you've tried to make a dime

2099
01:37:20,979 --> 01:37:16,880
if you make any money from your books

2100
01:37:24,129 --> 01:37:20,989
it's through hard work and I just want

2101
01:37:26,049 --> 01:37:24,139
everybody to know that a dr. Irena Scott

2102
01:37:28,930 --> 01:37:26,059
is considered one of the foremost

2103
01:37:30,970 --> 01:37:28,940
researchers in the field of ufology and

2104
01:37:32,859 --> 01:37:30,980
I would like you to share a little bit

2105
01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:32,869
about your background regarding your

2106
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:37,070
research work well I work in several

2107
01:37:45,010 --> 01:37:42,320
places where were you where ufos were

2108
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:45,020
studied such as the Defense Intelligence

2109
01:37:50,740 --> 01:37:48,800
Agency the DIA and I've been at

2110
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:50,750
wright-patterson a number of times for

2111
01:37:54,490 --> 01:37:52,369
different meetings that were work

2112
01:37:57,129 --> 01:37:54,500
related but where I found out a lot

2113
01:38:01,779 --> 01:37:57,139
about UFOs and Battelle Memorial

2114
01:38:04,990 --> 01:38:01,789
Institute where the special report study

2115
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:05,000
number 14 was done which was mentioned

2116
01:38:11,379 --> 01:38:07,730
earlier which Stanton Freeman frequently

2117
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,389
mentioned and was able to find out a lot

2118
01:38:19,010 --> 01:38:12,960
of behind the scenes

2119
01:38:21,140 --> 01:38:19,020
stories about it and yeah I'm not making

2120
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:21,150
much money on my books but I've always

2121
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:24,360
been scientists so that means I'm gonna

2122
01:38:28,700 --> 01:38:26,970
go ahead and I recommend strongly UFOs

2123
01:38:30,290 --> 01:38:28,710
today I've got a copy of that book and

2124
01:38:33,110 --> 01:38:30,300
even if you think you know a lot about

2125
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:33,120
UFOs it is a great book you will learn

2126
01:38:36,350 --> 01:38:33,810
from it

2127
01:38:38,780 --> 01:38:36,360
and if you don't it might be the perfect

2128
01:38:40,580 --> 01:38:38,790
book if you really don't know a whole

2129
01:38:42,230 --> 01:38:40,590
lot and you're just getting into it hey

2130
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:42,240
it's well worth the investment you'll

2131
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:44,250
save yourself a lot of time because so

2132
01:38:48,110 --> 01:38:45,540
much is covered throughout the history

2133
01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:48,120
if you go up it is a fantastic book I

2134
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:51,390
highly recommend well thank you for that

2135
01:38:56,780 --> 01:38:54,480
and I go into a lot of research I did on

2136
01:39:02,140 --> 01:38:56,790
that which continued some pretty

2137
01:39:04,610 --> 01:39:02,150
interesting stories that's wonderful

2138
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:04,620
Irene I wanted to ask you can you please

2139
01:39:12,440 --> 01:39:10,290
share any stories or perhaps experiences

2140
01:39:16,130 --> 01:39:12,450
you've had with the late dr. Stanton

2141
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:16,140
Friedman yes I think he was everywhere

2142
01:39:22,220 --> 01:39:19,380
and Vincent I was lucky enough to meet

2143
01:39:24,740 --> 01:39:22,230
him several times and served on the roof

2144
01:39:26,540 --> 01:39:24,750
on board of directors with him and it

2145
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:26,550
was honored to be on a planned panel

2146
01:39:32,090 --> 01:39:29,100
with him and Kathleen Mardin like

2147
01:39:34,220 --> 01:39:32,100
there's new fun symposium it sounds very

2148
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:34,230
disappointed that I'm going to see

2149
01:39:40,460 --> 01:39:38,090
there's a mucky LC Catherine Martin I

2150
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:40,470
thought it's columns in the MUFON

2151
01:39:46,190 --> 01:39:43,110
Journal or excellent and showed about

2152
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:46,200
the most scientific thinking in the UFO

2153
01:39:54,110 --> 01:39:51,300
field as well his debates he was a voice

2154
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:54,120
of science in our field and our oranga

2155
01:39:59,120 --> 01:39:57,120
member talking to him and asking the

2156
01:40:02,300 --> 01:39:59,130
questions and him just pulling out

2157
01:40:09,380 --> 01:40:02,310
papers that we need active and covered

2158
01:40:13,459 --> 01:40:09,390
with black marks I recently talked to

2159
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:13,469
Dan Simon about him

2160
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:19,440
and she worked intensely with dr. Heine

2161
01:40:25,630 --> 01:40:23,400
canoeing can anybody hear me yeah just

2162
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:25,640
fine we can hear you you're okay

2163
01:40:34,189 --> 01:40:29,610
okay but I didn't get her reminiscence

2164
01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:34,199
about him so I'm sorry well we really

2165
01:40:39,130 --> 01:40:35,880
appreciate your having spent a little

2166
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:39,140
bit of time to talk about Stan today and

2167
01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:42,090
wanted to know also what's your

2168
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:44,520
perspective about Stanton in general in

2169
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,290
the realm of ufology how do you feel he

2170
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:51,360
represents it well I think he

2171
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:53,460
represented the field of science very

2172
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:57,690
well and I especially liked his columns

2173
01:41:02,689 --> 01:40:59,460
in the MUFON Journal because he went

2174
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:02,699
into his debates and how he had logical

2175
01:41:09,140 --> 01:41:05,930
answers to things as dr. Hynek did -

2176
01:41:13,459 --> 01:41:09,150
that would be that would support a

2177
01:41:15,110 --> 01:41:13,469
scientific outlook and he was a

2178
01:41:18,740 --> 01:41:15,120
scientist so I thought this Saturday

2179
01:41:22,220 --> 01:41:18,750
mentally to the UFO field and you

2180
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:22,230
contribute a whole lot I agree with you

2181
01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:23,730
there's not very many scientists out

2182
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:27,000
there who are willing to actually put

2183
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:29,219
themselves in the kind of position that

2184
01:41:34,820 --> 01:41:33,210
Stanton did and speak freely about his

2185
01:41:37,459 --> 01:41:34,830
perspectives regarding the realm of

2186
01:41:39,709 --> 01:41:37,469
ufology Frank can you mention a few

2187
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:39,719
scientists you feel are involved in

2188
01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:43,530
ufology right now well right now we've

2189
01:41:48,979 --> 01:41:46,680
added Professor Kevin Knuth how put-off

2190
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:48,989
has been involved for a long time as

2191
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:50,330
Yachvili has been mentioned already

2192
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:53,100
we've had the passing recently of

2193
01:41:58,459 --> 01:41:55,890
Stanton Friedman and Steve Bassett had

2194
01:42:01,490 --> 01:41:58,469
mentioned James McDonald going back some

2195
01:42:02,990 --> 01:42:01,500
distance yeah there there were a few of

2196
01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:03,000
them out there we could use a few more

2197
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:06,260
though no doubt about that very true

2198
01:42:11,900 --> 01:42:09,840
irena also wanted to ask you how do you

2199
01:42:13,670 --> 01:42:11,910
feel about Stan's personality and how he

2200
01:42:16,610 --> 01:42:13,680
came off to people when he approached

2201
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:16,620
them what I'm getting from everybody is

2202
01:42:21,709 --> 01:42:19,290
that he was extremely approachable and

2203
01:42:26,510 --> 01:42:21,719
very friendly to everybody no matter who

2204
01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:26,520
they were yes and he used to sit at the

2205
01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:27,070
can be

2206
01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:31,090
I was on the board with him and he was

2207
01:42:37,950 --> 01:42:36,310
very much respected also there and of

2208
01:42:40,020 --> 01:42:37,960
course I do want to mention Irena Scott

2209
01:42:50,810 --> 01:42:40,030
as a scientist to involve dr. Lee in the

2210
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:50,820
field my bad example is these these

2211
01:42:56,580 --> 01:42:54,130
scientists serious scholars you know

2212
01:43:00,240 --> 01:42:56,590
from Cornell and like you know John Mack

2213
01:43:03,020 --> 01:43:00,250
from Harvard they have more at stake to

2214
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,030
lose than we do in a lot of ways because

2215
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:05,440
you know they're part of the Institute

2216
01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:08,650
part of something that's ingrained in

2217
01:43:14,100 --> 01:43:11,470
empirical logic and they're stepping

2218
01:43:15,870 --> 01:43:14,110
outside of that and that affects not

2219
01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:15,880
only their livelihood but it affects you

2220
01:43:21,180 --> 01:43:19,060
know reputations and stuff and so I find

2221
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:21,190
that always when someone finds the

2222
01:43:24,530 --> 01:43:22,630
evidence is so compelling that they're

2223
01:43:30,900 --> 01:43:24,540
willing to venture out to this you know

2224
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:30,910
pseudo existential research that that

2225
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:34,510
takes you know a lot of bravery and so

2226
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:37,570
my hat's always off to I you know anyone

2227
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:39,730
that that does that that comes from that

2228
01:43:46,140 --> 01:43:44,560
academia state go ahead yeah Steve

2229
01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:46,150
actually wanted to ask you a question

2230
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:48,100
while arena is talking if you wouldn't

2231
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:51,510
mind all jumping in on this and that is

2232
01:43:56,220 --> 01:43:53,890
Steve how do you feel about scientists

2233
01:44:00,590 --> 01:43:56,230
being involved in the realm of ufology

2234
01:44:07,140 --> 01:44:00,600
and other phenomena that's to me chant

2235
01:44:08,670 --> 01:44:07,150
yes Steve yes and let me expand on

2236
01:44:13,410 --> 01:44:08,680
something you said a little bit earlier

2237
01:44:14,610 --> 01:44:13,420
you referred to Stan as dr. Friedman and

2238
01:44:17,610 --> 01:44:14,620
that's a common mistake

2239
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:17,620
yeah I'm sorry I I caught that after I

2240
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:19,570
said it it's incorrect Sahour it's okay

2241
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:23,290
Stan had a master of science he was a

2242
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:25,090
practical physicist not a theoretical

2243
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:28,510
and and a master of of science and that

2244
01:44:35,610 --> 01:44:30,250
field was more than enough to work back

2245
01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:35,620
in his time but as it happens Stan

2246
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:37,540
Friedman and all of his career never

2247
01:44:40,759 --> 01:44:39,250
received an honorary Doctorate from any

2248
01:44:46,899 --> 01:44:40,769
University

2249
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:46,909
and to my knowledge no science you know

2250
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:49,380
professional a scientist involved in

2251
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:52,170
this field has ever received an honorary

2252
01:44:59,180 --> 01:44:56,489
Doctorate I once went in to my car to

2253
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,190
the president's office of my college

2254
01:45:05,660 --> 01:45:02,159
where I graduated did talk about this

2255
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:05,670
idea and he personally escorted me out

2256
01:45:16,129 --> 01:45:12,090
of his office dismissal with with full

2257
01:45:19,220 --> 01:45:16,139
prejudice this this is simply one of

2258
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:19,230
many reflections of the fact that the

2259
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:24,480
failure of the 5,000 colleges and

2260
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:26,880
universities in the United States for 70

2261
01:45:32,089 --> 01:45:29,090
years to engage this issue properly

2262
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:32,099
other than the odd sanity course is

2263
01:45:38,029 --> 01:45:34,170
probably the greatest intellectual

2264
01:45:40,759 --> 01:45:38,039
failure in all of human history okay now

2265
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:40,769
it's changing there's no question we're

2266
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:43,800
seeing academics a PhD level coming

2267
01:45:48,830 --> 01:45:46,530
forward and saying things the Harvard

2268
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,840
professor recently the head of Harvard

2269
01:45:54,620 --> 01:45:51,119
astronomy just came out and was talking

2270
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:54,630
about uma Rahu was a possible not an

2271
01:46:00,560 --> 01:45:57,690
actual intelligent craft or intelligent

2272
01:46:01,759 --> 01:46:00,570
orange he seems to have survived that

2273
01:46:05,239 --> 01:46:01,769
and there's been some others but

2274
01:46:08,419 --> 01:46:05,249
nevertheless were still in the early

2275
01:46:11,359 --> 01:46:08,429
stages of the entire academic community

2276
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:11,369
in America figuring out the truth of

2277
01:46:16,459 --> 01:46:14,639
this matter so I just announced about a

2278
01:46:19,729 --> 01:46:16,469
week ago that I started a new project

2279
01:46:23,229 --> 01:46:19,739
it's in the very early stages and it's

2280
01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:23,239
called academics for disclosure ad

2281
01:46:33,529 --> 01:46:29,400
that's intentional and it's tricky but

2282
01:46:36,919 --> 01:46:33,539
my my intention is this and it's modeled

2283
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:36,929
after architects and engineers for 9/11

2284
01:46:42,169 --> 01:46:39,690
truth there's like three thousand that

2285
01:46:45,259 --> 01:46:42,179
have come out to indicate that they're

2286
01:46:46,819 --> 01:46:45,269
very dissatisfied with the explanation

2287
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:46,829
of some of the physical aspects of the

2288
01:46:53,950 --> 01:46:49,800
9/11 events that's a lot of architects

2289
01:46:57,540 --> 01:46:53,960
and engineers so this is

2290
01:47:03,280 --> 01:46:57,550
this is designed to obtain signatures

2291
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:03,290
from anyone with a PhD credited PhD or

2292
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:07,490
MD or anyone teaching in college or

2293
01:47:14,530 --> 01:47:09,890
university level regardless of their

2294
01:47:18,460 --> 01:47:14,540
degree to sign to a statement that I

2295
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:18,470
paraphrase here that I such such an arm

2296
01:47:23,170 --> 01:47:20,930
in convinced that there is an

2297
01:47:26,020 --> 01:47:23,180
extraterrestrial presence engaging the

2298
01:47:27,820 --> 01:47:26,030
planet and fully support the disclosure

2299
01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:27,830
or announcement of that by our

2300
01:47:36,910 --> 01:47:33,490
government it's worth noting that Stan

2301
01:47:39,250 --> 01:47:36,920
remember Robert Bigelow in May of 2017

2302
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:39,260
came forward on 60 minutes and said

2303
01:47:43,210 --> 01:47:40,490
there's an extraterrestrial presence

2304
01:47:46,090 --> 01:47:43,220
here and he's a billionaire NASA

2305
01:47:47,290 --> 01:47:46,100
contractor and in normal times that

2306
01:47:49,330 --> 01:47:47,300
would have got him in front of the US

2307
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:49,340
Congress in about two weeks but of

2308
01:47:53,410 --> 01:47:51,890
course it was just slipped by right

2309
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:53,420
because there's so much other nonsense

2310
01:47:58,210 --> 01:47:56,210
going on Stan for years has said

2311
01:48:00,910 --> 01:47:58,220
matter-of-factly there is an

2312
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:00,920
extraterrestrial presence engaging us he

2313
01:48:05,050 --> 01:48:02,960
was absolutely unambiguous about that

2314
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:05,060
now you can't say the same for jock

2315
01:48:09,460 --> 01:48:07,850
valet but Stan always has said not

2316
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,470
always but he said this oh at least for

2317
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:11,840
the last 20 years and that's important

2318
01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:16,730
so anyway a academics for disclosure so

2319
01:48:21,790 --> 01:48:18,200
what I'm doing now I'm in the nascent

2320
01:48:26,050 --> 01:48:21,800
stage I'm slowly gathering and

2321
01:48:28,510 --> 01:48:26,060
approaching people who have that PhD or

2322
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:28,520
MD as to see whether they would be

2323
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:30,770
willing to participate and I'm putting

2324
01:48:34,270 --> 01:48:32,330
it out there so that people might

2325
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,280
contact me at paradigm research group

2326
01:48:40,630 --> 01:48:36,560
org where I have my email address and

2327
01:48:43,180 --> 01:48:40,640
subscription lists of the emails but

2328
01:48:45,810 --> 01:48:43,190
nobody's gonna be named and this is not

2329
01:48:47,950 --> 01:48:45,820
gonna go public until there are a

2330
01:48:49,810 --> 01:48:47,960
significant number of people so that

2331
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:49,820
they're they're not by themselves

2332
01:48:54,850 --> 01:48:51,770
there's a decent group how many that is

2333
01:48:57,610 --> 01:48:54,860
I don't know but the number one the

2334
01:49:02,080 --> 01:48:57,620
barrier right now to executing this

2335
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:02,090
program is I'm going to have to get hold

2336
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:04,010
harmless releases from anyone that

2337
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:07,280
participates now what that means is a

2338
01:49:09,940 --> 01:49:07,730
home

2339
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:09,950
harmless agreement is basically an

2340
01:49:16,210 --> 01:49:12,170
agreement that says but in legal

2341
01:49:20,290 --> 01:49:16,220
language that should any harm come to my

2342
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:20,300
status my career my professional

2343
01:49:26,890 --> 01:49:22,730
position and so forth as a result of my

2344
01:49:29,620 --> 01:49:26,900
signing on to this statement I hold

2345
01:49:33,729 --> 01:49:29,630
harmless paradigm research group for any

2346
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:33,739
damages and so forth well let me jump in

2347
01:49:37,210 --> 01:49:35,480
here I Steve if I could really quick ask

2348
01:49:40,270 --> 01:49:37,220
you about this the way you have is

2349
01:49:43,210 --> 01:49:40,280
worded that they are definitely signing

2350
01:49:46,030 --> 01:49:43,220
on to saying yes they believe or they

2351
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:46,040
think that there is neeti presence

2352
01:49:49,810 --> 01:49:48,080
wouldn't you have a little bit more

2353
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:49,820
success if your weasel worded that a

2354
01:49:53,500 --> 01:49:51,890
little bit that there might be or it's

2355
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:53,510
worth a closer look or something along

2356
01:49:57,940 --> 01:49:54,980
those lines you might get a better

2357
01:49:59,920 --> 01:49:57,950
response yet this is not a pity I

2358
01:50:02,440 --> 01:49:59,930
appreciate that Frank a good point

2359
01:50:05,979 --> 01:50:02,450
though yeah that's not me that's not my

2360
01:50:08,290 --> 01:50:05,989
stuff the thing is this is not a

2361
01:50:10,840 --> 01:50:08,300
petition it's not about getting huge

2362
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:10,850
numbers of signatures it's about getting

2363
01:50:16,330 --> 01:50:13,970
a decent number of signatures that goes

2364
01:50:18,910 --> 01:50:16,340
directly to the heart of the truth that

2365
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:18,920
has more power even if the numbers are

2366
01:50:23,740 --> 01:50:21,530
lower in other words I'm trying to get

2367
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:23,750
people to do and say exactly what Bob

2368
01:50:28,540 --> 01:50:26,570
Bigelow said on 60 minutes and I don't

2369
01:50:32,740 --> 01:50:28,550
know if Bob has a PhD he I don't think

2370
01:50:35,229 --> 01:50:32,750
he does but he's not so he wouldn't be

2371
01:50:38,590 --> 01:50:35,239
eligible but so I'm wanting statements

2372
01:50:41,890 --> 01:50:38,600
that's strong but not only this about

2373
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:41,900
the presence of UT's engaging the planet

2374
01:50:48,190 --> 01:50:44,800
however the PT's want to but also

2375
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:48,200
supporting that it's time for the

2376
01:50:55,420 --> 01:50:51,730
government to fund to confirm this so

2377
01:50:57,790 --> 01:50:55,430
getting back to it I still we are still

2378
01:51:01,780 --> 01:50:57,800
at a time where I have to have that hold

2379
01:51:05,020 --> 01:51:01,790
harmless because there are there is

2380
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:05,030
still a chance that certainly is say a

2381
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,250
hundred people sign on one or two are

2382
01:51:12,130 --> 01:51:09,440
suddenly going to find themselves facing

2383
01:51:15,460 --> 01:51:12,140
down the Dean of their universities and

2384
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:15,470
maybe getting hurt that's why I'm living

2385
01:51:20,110 --> 01:51:18,050
it to high school and college teachers I

2386
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:20,120
don't want I mean college and university

2387
01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:21,070
teachers I do not want

2388
01:51:24,990 --> 01:51:22,540
highschool teachers they're much too

2389
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:25,000
vulnerable but I still have to do this

2390
01:51:30,419 --> 01:51:27,719
because we're still not there yet

2391
01:51:32,069 --> 01:51:30,429
nevertheless we'll see how it goes if I

2392
01:51:34,410 --> 01:51:32,079
get enough people that are willing to go

2393
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:34,420
there then this academics for disclosure

2394
01:51:38,069 --> 01:51:36,610
project will get a full launching with a

2395
01:51:40,530 --> 01:51:38,079
press conference probably the National

2396
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,540
Press Club and we'll take another step

2397
01:51:45,540 --> 01:51:42,639
forward we're right on the cusp and and

2398
01:51:46,919 --> 01:51:45,550
we're so close to disclosure now given

2399
01:51:50,729 --> 01:51:46,929
what's coming down the pike later this

2400
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:50,739
year that I'm a I definitely don't want

2401
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:52,810
to hurt anybody at the last minute you

2402
01:51:55,859 --> 01:51:54,489
know just you know it's like it's like

2403
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,869
the poor soldier there's the last

2404
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:57,760
soldier to get shot killed before they

2405
01:52:02,430 --> 01:52:00,639
just before the armistice is signed but

2406
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:02,440
I just like the idea of starting and

2407
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,610
getting it out there and him and people

2408
01:52:10,109 --> 01:52:06,400
think about it but academics for

2409
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:10,119
disclosure will be this project and it

2410
01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:11,650
hopefully will be the beginning of the

2411
01:52:14,580 --> 01:52:13,329
academic community in the United States

2412
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:14,590
and most of the rest of the world

2413
01:52:20,819 --> 01:52:19,270
frankly Europe UK of somehow in spite of

2414
01:52:23,250 --> 01:52:20,829
all their genius and all their IQs and

2415
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:23,260
all their degrees somehow by some

2416
01:52:30,899 --> 01:52:27,250
strange circumstance they all managed to

2417
01:52:32,819 --> 01:52:30,909
completely miss the et reality of the

2418
01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:32,829
last 70 years that five six eight

2419
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:34,510
thousand books that were written the

2420
01:52:37,620 --> 01:52:36,250
endless documentaries the films the

2421
01:52:39,629 --> 01:52:37,630
evidence except except they just sort of

2422
01:52:41,700 --> 01:52:39,639
missed it you know and so consequently

2423
01:52:43,260 --> 01:52:41,710
didn't think well with nothing to see

2424
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:43,270
here no reason why I'd want to teach

2425
01:52:49,950 --> 01:52:46,690
about this this must never happen again

2426
01:52:52,140 --> 01:52:49,960
in this country it's happened in fascist

2427
01:52:53,879 --> 01:52:52,150
dictatorships in the past we're an

2428
01:52:55,979 --> 01:52:53,889
entire academic community for fear of

2429
01:52:58,109 --> 01:52:55,989
having their bullet in the brain

2430
01:52:59,580 --> 01:52:58,119
essentially just said we're not going to

2431
01:53:03,020 --> 01:52:59,590
talk about this even though it's worth

2432
01:53:04,919 --> 01:53:03,030
studying but this is the United States

2433
01:53:07,770 --> 01:53:04,929
and we're not a fascist dictatorship

2434
01:53:09,810 --> 01:53:07,780
least not yet and so the idea that all

2435
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:09,820
5,000 college and university stood down

2436
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:12,159
on this for 70 years that must never be

2437
01:53:18,030 --> 01:53:15,040
repeated about any important aspect of

2438
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:18,040
our reality any science ever again and

2439
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:23,760
let's hope that's the case list for

2440
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:31,570
college film school dropouts I have a

2441
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:34,000
question for you and I it was funny I

2442
01:53:37,740 --> 01:53:34,510
think

2443
01:53:39,390 --> 01:53:37,750
we were hanging out I forgot to ask this

2444
01:53:46,170 --> 01:53:39,400
of you but it's ensure the Godfather

2445
01:53:47,340 --> 01:53:46,180
disclosed your hair it's being done to

2446
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:47,350
see if this is true that you're the

2447
01:53:59,340 --> 01:53:53,370
actual Godfather so here's my question

2448
01:54:03,660 --> 01:53:59,350
when I think of disclosure I wonder if

2449
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:03,670
there isn't a version of that that has

2450
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:06,850
already happened in the sense that from

2451
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:09,730
the aliens perspective I wonder if they

2452
01:54:15,570 --> 01:54:11,890
feel they've already done a disclosure

2453
01:54:17,790 --> 01:54:15,580
when you look at the aerial school in

2454
01:54:19,590 --> 01:54:17,800
Zimbabwe all the other people that

2455
01:54:23,370 --> 01:54:19,600
they've reached out to I did some math

2456
01:54:25,620 --> 01:54:23,380
on how many people who claimed to have

2457
01:54:27,690 --> 01:54:25,630
been abducted how that if you take those

2458
01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:27,700
numbers in the United States and open it

2459
01:54:34,110 --> 01:54:31,540
worldwide with 40 million if you track

2460
01:54:37,530 --> 01:54:34,120
these numbers 40 million out of 7

2461
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:37,540
billion people and so if if these people

2462
01:54:42,620 --> 01:54:40,960
be in contact is that a form here's what

2463
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:42,630
your take is on is that a form of

2464
01:54:46,770 --> 01:54:44,890
disclosure where they're disclosing to

2465
01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:46,780
the people that they want to they're not

2466
01:54:51,810 --> 01:54:49,060
going to disclose to you know

2467
01:54:54,750 --> 01:54:51,820
politicians and everyone who could usurp

2468
01:54:57,090 --> 01:54:54,760
them and so are they doing quietly their

2469
01:55:00,300 --> 01:54:57,100
own disclosure to chosen people if you

2470
01:55:04,140 --> 01:55:00,310
will what is your take on that this is a

2471
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:04,150
semantic issue really that the term

2472
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:06,310
disclosure is a term that's very much

2473
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:09,130
open to broad interpretations this is

2474
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:11,410
often the case in fields of endeavor

2475
01:55:16,920 --> 01:55:14,170
including activism and one of the key

2476
01:55:20,460 --> 01:55:16,930
things an activist movement has got to

2477
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:20,470
do as as to create to find specific

2478
01:55:27,140 --> 01:55:23,730
terminology as to what the goal is

2479
01:55:31,260 --> 01:55:27,150
otherwise things could get a messy

2480
01:55:34,500 --> 01:55:31,270
disclosure as I say with a small D it's

2481
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:34,510
been happening in this bill in every

2482
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:36,250
field I mean there's there's disclosure

2483
01:55:39,570 --> 01:55:37,960
or a small deist of stuff about all

2484
01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:39,580
kinds of things all the time but in

2485
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:42,040
terms of the et issue it's been going on

2486
01:55:47,070 --> 01:55:45,250
consistently for thousands of years just

2487
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:47,080
watching an alien's a few hundred times

2488
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:48,170
which I have

2489
01:55:57,790 --> 01:55:53,410
see something's going on there but the

2490
01:56:01,540 --> 01:55:57,800
small D disclosure as I define it for

2491
01:56:03,910 --> 01:56:01,550
the activist movement is revelations

2492
01:56:08,490 --> 01:56:03,920
about this phenomena emerging from all

2493
01:56:11,470 --> 01:56:08,500
kinds of sources witnesses raw research

2494
01:56:15,010 --> 01:56:11,480
government statements even and the

2495
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:15,020
actions of ETS but I see the actions of

2496
01:56:21,970 --> 01:56:18,800
ETS not as it's less as disclosure as

2497
01:56:25,330 --> 01:56:21,980
more as manipulation in other words it's

2498
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:25,340
my view the ETS want us to do a

2499
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:27,050
disclosure event they want a self

2500
01:56:31,510 --> 01:56:28,880
disclosure event to happen on the planet

2501
01:56:34,510 --> 01:56:31,520
by heads of state formal confirmation

2502
01:56:38,890 --> 01:56:34,520
because that then opens the door for

2503
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:38,900
another meta level meaning it opens the

2504
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:41,210
door to massive global engagement of the

2505
01:56:45,010 --> 01:56:43,250
issue right meaning all the colleges

2506
01:56:46,990 --> 01:56:45,020
will jump on board the scientists will

2507
01:56:49,630 --> 01:56:47,000
jump on board the pilots everybody's on

2508
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:49,640
board and we'll just be drenched in ET

2509
01:56:53,980 --> 01:56:52,850
stuff and everything will have ETS on it

2510
01:56:55,900 --> 01:56:53,990
you want to buy you want to buy

2511
01:56:58,930 --> 01:56:55,910
underwear there'll be little aliens on

2512
01:57:01,120 --> 01:56:58,940
it and and t-shirts and God knows what

2513
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:01,130
and we'll be sick of ETS after two years

2514
01:57:07,570 --> 01:57:04,570
which opens the door for a low-stress

2515
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:07,580
direct open contact so I think they're

2516
01:57:14,140 --> 01:57:10,370
facilitating it by not being discreet by

2517
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:14,150
allowing themselves to be seen and that

2518
01:57:17,740 --> 01:57:16,010
is a deliberate though I think there

2519
01:57:20,500 --> 01:57:17,750
also may be conducting work at the same

2520
01:57:22,750 --> 01:57:20,510
time the disclosure that the Advocate

2521
01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:22,760
movement is is focused on and this is

2522
01:57:26,170 --> 01:57:24,290
what I say

2523
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:26,180
others could disagree but this is what

2524
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:28,250
I've been saying for a long long time is

2525
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:33,050
a very precise specific thing it is only

2526
01:57:38,620 --> 01:57:35,930
the formal confirmation or formal

2527
01:57:41,230 --> 01:57:38,630
acknowledgment of this presence of this

2528
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:41,240
et presence reality by the heads of

2529
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:43,840
states of Nations president of the US

2530
01:57:48,610 --> 01:57:47,810
foreign minister of UK president of

2531
01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:48,620
Russia

2532
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:51,650
president of China and so forth all the

2533
01:57:56,650 --> 01:57:54,560
way down the line it'll probably start

2534
01:57:59,110 --> 01:57:56,660
with a single nation that will make the

2535
01:58:01,810 --> 01:57:59,120
first move and then other nations will

2536
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:01,820
follow very quickly in line the

2537
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:03,770
every nation in the world that's

2538
01:58:07,810 --> 01:58:05,330
relatively developed with a modern air

2539
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:07,820
force relative to the time going in the

2540
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:10,070
back to the 50s knows there's an et

2541
01:58:14,050 --> 01:58:11,570
presence because they've been doing gun

2542
01:58:16,810 --> 01:58:14,060
camera footage intercepts of these craft

2543
01:58:19,390 --> 01:58:16,820
all these years and all of that of

2544
01:58:21,490 --> 01:58:19,400
course has been has been filed and put

2545
01:58:22,990 --> 01:58:21,500
under classification so these countries

2546
01:58:26,980 --> 01:58:23,000
know there's an ATT presence but they're

2547
01:58:29,590 --> 01:58:26,990
deferring to either the United States

2548
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:29,600
maybe Russia maybe China to make the

2549
01:58:33,340 --> 01:58:31,010
first move they don't want to make the

2550
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:33,350
first move so it is that that is

2551
01:58:38,710 --> 01:58:36,710
disclosure capital D anything other than

2552
01:58:40,930 --> 01:58:38,720
that is not capital D disclosure that is

2553
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:40,940
not the goal the goal of the advocacy

2554
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:42,890
movement the truth advocacy movement is

2555
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:45,410
not to get some more research I hope we

2556
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:46,910
have more research but we've had enough

2557
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:48,890
research to prove this issue 20 times

2558
01:58:58,270 --> 01:58:55,370
over it's not to get maybe somebody in

2559
01:59:00,460 --> 01:58:58,280
the Pentagon to come forward or or maybe

2560
01:59:04,060 --> 01:59:00,470
the odds senator to say something that's

2561
01:59:06,850 --> 01:59:04,070
all fine disclosure the event the

2562
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:06,860
paradigm shift the door to the post

2563
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:09,440
disclosure world that is got to be and

2564
01:59:16,510 --> 01:59:12,770
only can be the formal confirmation by

2565
01:59:20,170 --> 01:59:16,520
the heads of state and so that is my way

2566
01:59:22,630 --> 01:59:20,180
of minimizing the confusion now after

2567
01:59:25,630 --> 01:59:22,640
you step away from that that's very hard

2568
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:25,640
very well defined and you get into the

2569
01:59:29,410 --> 01:59:27,290
small D disclosure well there's all

2570
01:59:30,580 --> 01:59:29,420
kinds of views about what that is or is

2571
01:59:31,060 --> 01:59:30,590
it and what have you and that's all

2572
01:59:34,870 --> 01:59:31,070
great

2573
01:59:38,170 --> 01:59:34,880
what's important is is that the era of

2574
01:59:40,060 --> 01:59:38,180
the UFO ended in 1991 as far as I'm

2575
01:59:43,180 --> 01:59:40,070
concerned though the UFO hangs around

2576
01:59:44,980 --> 01:59:43,190
God knows that in acronym is a stubborn

2577
01:59:47,260 --> 01:59:44,990
little sucker it's going to be around

2578
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:47,270
for awhile but it's clear over the last

2579
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:50,210
five six years that the the the the the

2580
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:52,130
the language and the conversation is

2581
01:59:56,230 --> 01:59:54,410
shifting from talking about UFOs to

2582
01:59:58,900 --> 01:59:56,240
talking about disclosure it's coming up

2583
02:00:00,340 --> 01:59:58,910
all the time in all the context and of

2584
02:00:02,500 --> 02:00:00,350
course it came up in a lot of articles

2585
02:00:05,710 --> 02:00:02,510
that I helped to generate during the

2586
02:00:07,630 --> 02:00:05,720
last election nearly 400 the term is

2587
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:07,640
turning up and when you go to the

2588
02:00:11,050 --> 02:00:08,960
conference's but like when I go to

2589
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:11,060
contact in the desert to speak on the

2590
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:13,610
31st of May or I go to speak at alien

2591
02:00:19,780 --> 02:00:15,650
con Los Angeles on the 21st

2592
02:00:22,590 --> 02:00:19,790
of June I assure you disclosure is what

2593
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:22,600
those people are wanting to hear about

2594
02:00:27,180 --> 02:00:25,370
there's even a disclosure is turning up

2595
02:00:31,149 --> 02:00:27,190
in the names of a number of the lectures

2596
02:00:31,810 --> 02:00:31,159
it is finally arrived that is what's

2597
02:00:33,970 --> 02:00:31,820
important

2598
02:00:35,020 --> 02:00:33,980
UFO is a meaningless term it's about

2599
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:35,030
something in the sky you don't

2600
02:00:41,649 --> 02:00:36,850
understand it could be a flock of geese

2601
02:00:43,689 --> 02:00:41,659
eagles flying saucers still important

2602
02:00:46,689 --> 02:00:43,699
but we know about flying saucers we've

2603
02:00:49,300 --> 02:00:46,699
got photos of them what we really don't

2604
02:00:50,770 --> 02:00:49,310
know is what when the government is

2605
02:00:53,350 --> 02:00:50,780
going to finally confirm this so they

2606
02:00:56,410 --> 02:00:53,360
can we can really get into this on a

2607
02:00:59,080 --> 02:00:56,420
global level all countries all peoples

2608
02:01:01,450 --> 02:00:59,090
and that is still out there it hasn't

2609
02:01:04,419 --> 02:01:01,460
happened yet but it's going to happen it

2610
02:01:07,270 --> 02:01:04,429
is inevitable and that's what I talk

2611
02:01:09,729 --> 02:01:07,280
about we're grateful for you have shared

2612
02:01:11,590 --> 02:01:09,739
that with us in Xi'an I wanted to ask

2613
02:01:13,450 --> 02:01:11,600
you if you wanted to make a comment

2614
02:01:18,070 --> 02:01:13,460
about the topic that Steve is covering

2615
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:18,080
right now I don't know if Chan can hear

2616
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:19,250
me I'm gonna go ahead and move on to

2617
02:01:30,790 --> 02:01:28,689
there are people who have information

2618
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:30,800
within our government some of that

2619
02:01:34,479 --> 02:01:32,810
information is classified based on the

2620
02:01:36,939 --> 02:01:34,489
fact that represents a national security

2621
02:01:39,580 --> 02:01:36,949
threat much like Steven brought up

2622
02:01:41,169 --> 02:01:39,590
earlier with Stanton Friedman but I

2623
02:01:43,899 --> 02:01:41,179
would say that the current there was

2624
02:01:46,990 --> 02:01:43,909
just an article released moments ago to

2625
02:01:50,770 --> 02:01:47,000
the hill which is a magazine for those

2626
02:01:52,810 --> 02:01:50,780
on Capitol Hill asking Congress to take

2627
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:52,820
action on the subject I think it's a

2628
02:01:57,550 --> 02:01:55,520
well-written article it gets the heart

2629
02:02:00,360 --> 02:01:57,560
of the matter the fact the matter is

2630
02:02:03,729 --> 02:02:00,370
this is most of our it's not all of our

2631
02:02:06,939 --> 02:02:03,739
elected officials are completely in the

2632
02:02:08,979 --> 02:02:06,949
dark on this subject I think it points

2633
02:02:10,540 --> 02:02:08,989
up to the fact some of the things that

2634
02:02:12,090 --> 02:02:10,550
Steven career has been saying I know

2635
02:02:17,530 --> 02:02:12,100
people are in love or hate Steven but

2636
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:17,540
that the juice apps are so are the way

2637
02:02:21,490 --> 02:02:19,570
that stuff happens is so

2638
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:21,500
compartmentalize that even the guys

2639
02:02:28,780 --> 02:02:24,800
running our highest intelligence

2640
02:02:29,650 --> 02:02:28,790
military congressional committees and

2641
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:29,660
groups

2642
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:31,760
aren't even read in on it and that's

2643
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:34,130
it's totally out of control in my

2644
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:36,890
opinion but but those that are trying to

2645
02:02:43,030 --> 02:02:39,770
do the best job for the American people

2646
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:43,040
and the government the United States I

2647
02:02:46,930 --> 02:02:45,290
think are going to make some headway and

2648
02:02:48,460 --> 02:02:46,940
you can read about yourself in the hill

2649
02:02:53,110 --> 02:02:48,470
we'll have it posted on our website

2650
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:53,120
hopefully today so I think we need to

2651
02:02:57,940 --> 02:02:55,970
stop bashing people who are trying to

2652
02:03:01,060 --> 02:02:57,950
get this information out trying to get

2653
02:03:03,220 --> 02:03:01,070
our Congress to take action on it trying

2654
02:03:05,470 --> 02:03:03,230
to make some headway and get the general

2655
02:03:07,210 --> 02:03:05,480
public and the scientists interested in

2656
02:03:11,950 --> 02:03:07,220
us I will tell you that since the

2657
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:11,960
announcements of December 16 2017 I am

2658
02:03:18,850 --> 02:03:14,480
getting cold literally weekly by

2659
02:03:20,380 --> 02:03:18,860
scientists engineers academic corporate

2660
02:03:21,790 --> 02:03:20,390
people wanting to get involved with

2661
02:03:24,370 --> 02:03:21,800
MUFON and we're trying to come up with a

2662
02:03:26,500 --> 02:03:24,380
way to do that they're probably through

2663
02:03:28,690 --> 02:03:26,510
some kind of an advisory council because

2664
02:03:30,610 --> 02:03:28,700
most of these people have held huge high

2665
02:03:34,900 --> 02:03:30,620
positions within their companies within

2666
02:03:35,890 --> 02:03:34,910
their academic credential world they're

2667
02:03:37,810 --> 02:03:35,900
not they're not interested in becoming

2668
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:37,820
the CNMI investigator and work in a way

2669
02:03:42,730 --> 02:03:40,850
up to be a state director but they want

2670
02:03:44,590 --> 02:03:42,740
to participate they want to take action

2671
02:03:46,570 --> 02:03:44,600
on it so I think what Steve is talking

2672
02:03:49,090 --> 02:03:46,580
about is terrific in terms of calling

2673
02:03:51,550 --> 02:03:49,100
those that out I find most of them are

2674
02:03:54,340 --> 02:03:51,560
now willing and open to having their

2675
02:03:57,880 --> 02:03:54,350
names used publicly in this regard so we

2676
02:04:00,640 --> 02:03:57,890
have taken a gargantuan leap forward

2677
02:04:02,590 --> 02:04:00,650
from where we were in the last 70 years

2678
02:04:04,420 --> 02:04:02,600
in just the last year and a half and I

2679
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:04,430
think a lot of that for some of these

2680
02:04:08,380 --> 02:04:06,080
brave souls who stepped out and tried to

2681
02:04:10,270 --> 02:04:08,390
make this happen so yeah I'm very

2682
02:04:14,230 --> 02:04:10,280
positive I think we've entered a whole

2683
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:14,240
new era in ufology or just call if you

2684
02:04:18,130 --> 02:04:16,490
people like to use words UAP because

2685
02:04:20,860 --> 02:04:18,140
that's socially acceptable in these

2686
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:20,870
types of circles but if UFOs guys it's

2687
02:04:25,300 --> 02:04:22,730
UFOs and we've been talking about it for

2688
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:25,310
50 years at MUFON and another 20 plus

2689
02:04:31,330 --> 02:04:29,090
years before that and I I just think

2690
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:31,340
we've got a huge opportunity ahead of us

2691
02:04:34,930 --> 02:04:33,770
to educate the public and trust me there

2692
02:04:38,170 --> 02:04:34,940
going to be people out there who are

2693
02:04:39,730 --> 02:04:38,180
going to be in denial I mean we're going

2694
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:39,740
through a grieving process here you look

2695
02:04:43,210 --> 02:04:40,810
the kubler-ross

2696
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:43,220
model and you know the first

2697
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:44,960
the answer when you realize that you've

2698
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:48,080
been lied to fill half 50 years it is

2699
02:04:53,110 --> 02:04:51,530
after denial you go into anger there may

2700
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:53,120
be a lot of people very angry that they

2701
02:04:58,510 --> 02:04:56,090
were lied to but what I'm seeing is a

2702
02:05:00,700 --> 02:04:58,520
lot of people who are excited about the

2703
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:00,710
fact that they can now stand up in their

2704
02:05:06,310 --> 02:05:02,690
academic circles in their congressional

2705
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:06,320
circles in in their at their work world

2706
02:05:12,190 --> 02:05:09,530
circles and they can actually say and

2707
02:05:13,900 --> 02:05:12,200
talk about the subject of UFOs which is

2708
02:05:16,660 --> 02:05:13,910
really going to tell us forward I think

2709
02:05:18,250 --> 02:05:16,670
as a human species so I'm really excited

2710
02:05:22,450 --> 02:05:18,260
about it I think the great work Stephens

2711
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,460
been doing a paradigm group and and dr.

2712
02:05:26,890 --> 02:05:24,800
Greer was trying to push things and 101

2713
02:05:28,570 --> 02:05:26,900
other people in the academic in that

2714
02:05:30,040 --> 02:05:28,580
world I think it's all coming together

2715
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:30,050
we're all we're all part of the same

2716
02:05:34,510 --> 02:05:33,050
body the body of ufology and we need to

2717
02:05:36,910 --> 02:05:34,520
take care of each other and we need to

2718
02:05:39,340 --> 02:05:36,920
embrace each other and we need to help

2719
02:05:41,980 --> 02:05:39,350
usher this new world in because it's

2720
02:05:48,100 --> 02:05:41,990
coming faster than we all know yeah just

2721
02:05:50,170 --> 02:05:48,110
to jump in really quick here something

2722
02:05:51,610 --> 02:05:50,180
that does Jen said really quick the

2723
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:51,620
article that he mentioned in the hill is

2724
02:05:54,820 --> 02:05:53,570
an op-ed piece written by Christopher

2725
02:05:58,390 --> 02:05:54,830
Mellon from the through the Stars

2726
02:06:00,280 --> 02:05:58,400
Academy and former assistant deputy

2727
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:00,290
assistant that defense secretary for

2728
02:06:04,810 --> 02:06:02,810
intelligence so that that article is

2729
02:06:06,540 --> 02:06:04,820
available over on the hill so check that

2730
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:06,550
out

2731
02:06:12,520 --> 02:06:09,290
thank you so much for that and I'm sorry

2732
02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:12,530
introduction and Jan wanted everybody to

2733
02:06:16,450 --> 02:06:14,840
know that was Jan Hus an international

2734
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:16,460
director of MUFON who was speaking and

2735
02:06:21,940 --> 02:06:20,090
wanted to ask rich Hoffmann if he had

2736
02:06:27,820 --> 02:06:21,950
any comments regarding the topic right

2737
02:06:34,570 --> 02:06:27,830
now that we're covering okay rich I'm

2738
02:06:36,580 --> 02:06:34,580
not sure if you can hear us the things

2739
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:36,590
that are being race or are really really

2740
02:06:41,470 --> 02:06:40,190
really relevant to the entire phenomena

2741
02:06:43,330 --> 02:06:41,480
and what are the things that I'm

2742
02:06:46,630 --> 02:06:43,340
thinking about as I'm listening to it

2743
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:46,640
you know it seemed like back in the days

2744
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:48,800
of Project Blue Book when that was going

2745
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:50,480
on it seemed like you know you had an

2746
02:06:53,860 --> 02:06:52,610
era of credibility when you were trying

2747
02:06:55,330 --> 02:06:53,870
to do something from a scientific

2748
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:55,340
standpoint because hey look the

2749
02:06:57,940 --> 02:06:55,850
government's

2750
02:07:01,660 --> 02:06:57,950
look into it and they're taking it and

2751
02:07:03,370 --> 02:07:01,670
treating it seriously and then you felt

2752
02:07:06,130 --> 02:07:03,380
like your your legs were cut out from

2753
02:07:08,230 --> 02:07:06,140
you when Project Blue Book closed and

2754
02:07:10,330 --> 02:07:08,240
the Academy of scientists that said

2755
02:07:13,300 --> 02:07:10,340
pretty much the babe concurred with the

2756
02:07:15,970 --> 02:07:13,310
Condon report me and everybody else and

2757
02:07:19,900 --> 02:07:15,980
so you struggled with getting scientists

2758
02:07:21,610 --> 02:07:19,910
engaged I I'm encouraged right now and I

2759
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:21,620
think Jan's pointing out something that

2760
02:07:27,250 --> 02:07:24,320
we're also experiencing even in su is

2761
02:07:30,490 --> 02:07:27,260
that right now I think we have like 14

2762
02:07:31,900 --> 02:07:30,500
PhDs that have come on board and we're

2763
02:07:34,060 --> 02:07:31,910
probably gonna get two more and they're

2764
02:07:37,930 --> 02:07:34,070
both academics from the University of

2765
02:07:40,930 --> 02:07:37,940
New York that are as well but are a part

2766
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:40,940
of us and I'm really wanting to engage

2767
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:44,810
this and I think the reason why is we've

2768
02:07:50,590 --> 02:07:48,350
moved beyond just anecdotal I saw UFO in

2769
02:07:52,900 --> 02:07:50,600
the sky to the point where you've got

2770
02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:52,910
radar you've got some data those

2771
02:07:57,240 --> 02:07:55,730
scientists actually like to have you

2772
02:08:00,610 --> 02:07:57,250
know and it's when you have that

2773
02:08:02,290 --> 02:08:00,620
legitimate data something that they can

2774
02:08:04,900 --> 02:08:02,300
you know they can mull over that they

2775
02:08:07,870 --> 02:08:04,910
can like you know analyze and do

2776
02:08:11,290 --> 02:08:07,880
something with it that we start to now

2777
02:08:13,810 --> 02:08:11,300
see them engaging and I think that if

2778
02:08:15,460 --> 02:08:13,820
you take a look at just the the Nimitz

2779
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:15,470
case and some of the other cases we're

2780
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:16,970
getting we're actually getting

2781
02:08:22,540 --> 02:08:19,310
military-grade equipment that's actually

2782
02:08:24,850 --> 02:08:22,550
picking up on some of this or the

2783
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:24,860
credibility of having an entire carrier

2784
02:08:28,260 --> 02:08:26,330
group that's out there that's like

2785
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:28,270
witnessing and somebody with the

2786
02:08:33,490 --> 02:08:31,550
respectability of a you know a commander

2787
02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:33,500
flavor it's willing to come on the line

2788
02:08:39,220 --> 02:08:36,560
and timon these things will help help us

2789
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:39,230
but there's still the challenges I mean

2790
02:08:44,950 --> 02:08:41,570
like for example two of the academics

2791
02:08:47,320 --> 02:08:44,960
that want to come on board are waiting

2792
02:08:49,450 --> 02:08:47,330
until it's appropriate for them from

2793
02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:49,460
their academic push back that they will

2794
02:08:55,600 --> 02:08:53,450
get to be able to do that and I think

2795
02:08:57,820 --> 02:08:55,610
I've pointed out we've gotten rid of

2796
02:08:59,920 --> 02:08:57,830
we've got rid of the word UFO because we

2797
02:09:02,380 --> 02:08:59,930
found out from the the conference we had

2798
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:02,390
here a lot of people don't like that

2799
02:09:06,340 --> 02:09:04,610
term because it associates with the

2800
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:06,350
baggage that's that they have

2801
02:09:12,070 --> 02:09:09,650
experienced around the subject so we

2802
02:09:14,380 --> 02:09:12,080
kind of adopted you know going the UAP

2803
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:14,390
route primarily because maybe that helps

2804
02:09:18,939 --> 02:09:16,850
with a conversation we have also ran

2805
02:09:21,189 --> 02:09:18,949
into that from the military side who

2806
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:21,199
said oh my god you got you can't use you

2807
02:09:28,419 --> 02:09:25,010
a vote and I'm going and oh wow really I

2808
02:09:30,459 --> 02:09:28,429
so even even though rich UFO was

2809
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:30,469
originally a military acronym it was

2810
02:09:35,620 --> 02:09:33,250
coined by Edward repeal oh well sure but

2811
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:35,630
period of all the death exactly

2812
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:37,610
and over the period of decades you watch

2813
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:41,210
as that whole thing is morphed into a

2814
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:43,760
whole lot of other kinds of meanings to

2815
02:09:50,649 --> 02:09:47,840
it you know I mean I going back to this

2816
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:50,659
being a topic about Stanton Friedman I I

2817
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:53,210
was encouraged the book that he that got

2818
02:09:58,510 --> 02:09:55,760
Stanton interested was the report on

2819
02:10:00,010 --> 02:09:58,520
unidentified flying objects by the

2820
02:10:03,490 --> 02:10:00,020
former had a project little book of

2821
02:10:05,740 --> 02:10:03,500
Captain Rafael say yes that's that's the

2822
02:10:10,450 --> 02:10:05,750
book that got me interest you know and

2823
02:10:12,340 --> 02:10:10,460
so yeah military called them UFOs and we

2824
02:10:15,399 --> 02:10:12,350
can thank route belt for helping us to

2825
02:10:18,130 --> 02:10:15,409
get that term on the books but it's now

2826
02:10:20,830 --> 02:10:18,140
one of those things that that people

2827
02:10:24,390 --> 02:10:20,840
struggle with and wanting to engage the

2828
02:10:27,010 --> 02:10:24,400
subject because it's not so much baggage

2829
02:10:29,439 --> 02:10:27,020
but anyway I'm hoping that we can get

2830
02:10:31,209 --> 02:10:29,449
more science engaged and we can get past

2831
02:10:34,689 --> 02:10:31,219
the invisible college and instead make

2832
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:34,699
it a visible College and that people

2833
02:10:38,169 --> 02:10:36,650
will be coming out and I'm encouraged to

2834
02:10:39,700 --> 02:10:38,179
see that we're now starting to get all

2835
02:10:42,790 --> 02:10:39,710
of those people doesn't want to do that

2836
02:10:44,850 --> 02:10:42,800
so keep it up and I hope we can make

2837
02:10:47,229 --> 02:10:44,860
things happen

2838
02:10:50,439 --> 02:10:47,239
sure absolutely he wants to say

2839
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:50,449
something go ahead Steve sorry yes I may

2840
02:10:56,169 --> 02:10:52,370
want to follow up on something that Jan

2841
02:10:57,700 --> 02:10:56,179
said and take a little further and I and

2842
02:10:59,140 --> 02:10:57,710
I want to be very clear about this I

2843
02:11:00,640 --> 02:10:59,150
mean I've talked about it at length I'm

2844
02:11:06,100 --> 02:11:00,650
gonna be speaking about it these

2845
02:11:09,540 --> 02:11:06,110
upcoming conferences the to the Stars

2846
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:09,550
Academy this group that came together

2847
02:11:17,260 --> 02:11:13,370
the went public formally announced on

2848
02:11:22,720 --> 02:11:17,270
October 11th of 2017 they needed to

2849
02:11:29,460 --> 02:11:22,730
announce in 2016 this group in fact

2850
02:11:32,110 --> 02:11:29,470
is a formal structured planned project

2851
02:11:34,990 --> 02:11:32,120
initiated within the Department of

2852
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:35,000
Defense in cooperation with the CIA and

2853
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:37,610
probably other agencies or we could say

2854
02:11:43,530 --> 02:11:40,970
the military intelligence complex to get

2855
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:43,540
and take another step and get this issue

2856
02:11:51,220 --> 02:11:47,810
into play connected back to the military

2857
02:11:55,950 --> 02:11:51,230
intelligence complex by proxy in order

2858
02:11:59,860 --> 02:11:55,960
to show the world that in fact the the

2859
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:59,870
position within these agencies including

2860
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:02,560
the DoD has in fact shifted towards

2861
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:04,970
revealing this truth to the American

2862
02:12:08,530 --> 02:12:05,650
people

2863
02:12:11,470 --> 02:12:08,540
disclosure is not an easy thing

2864
02:12:13,960 --> 02:12:11,480
it's a roll out process it extremely

2865
02:12:18,850 --> 02:12:13,970
complicated with a large history and the

2866
02:12:20,890 --> 02:12:18,860
DoD is not the president the DoD cannot

2867
02:12:23,590 --> 02:12:20,900
disclose it cannot be the disclosure

2868
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:23,600
entity it works for the president only

2869
02:12:28,780 --> 02:12:25,850
the president can do disclosure but the

2870
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:28,790
DoD has made the decision that they will

2871
02:12:33,820 --> 02:12:31,760
actually take this misstep and allow

2872
02:12:35,740 --> 02:12:33,830
these individuals which they could they

2873
02:12:39,430 --> 02:12:35,750
could stop this anytime they wanted to

2874
02:12:40,990 --> 02:12:39,440
to come forward be the vehicle for

2875
02:12:42,850 --> 02:12:41,000
releasing the first gun camera footage

2876
02:12:46,810 --> 02:12:42,860
and other things which are coming out

2877
02:12:50,979 --> 02:12:46,820
and so what it means is that there is

2878
02:12:56,050 --> 02:12:50,989
now a sufficient sentiment within the

2879
02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:56,060
military intelligence complex for having

2880
02:12:59,950 --> 02:12:57,770
a head of state announced the

2881
02:13:01,540 --> 02:12:59,960
extra-terrestrial presence and there's

2882
02:13:04,570 --> 02:13:01,550
no way they can put this toothpaste back

2883
02:13:06,250 --> 02:13:04,580
in the tube it's out it's done and it's

2884
02:13:12,210 --> 02:13:06,260
going to go forward and the only reason

2885
02:13:15,430 --> 02:13:12,220
it hasn't gone much much further is that

2886
02:13:17,530 --> 02:13:15,440
the political situation right now is so

2887
02:13:21,550 --> 02:13:17,540
chaotic that it is sort of kept that

2888
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:21,560
from advancing okay and thank you very

2889
02:13:30,580 --> 02:13:24,320
much for that I know that Dean Alioto

2890
02:13:34,140 --> 02:13:30,590
had a question for Steve it's

2891
02:13:39,310 --> 02:13:36,730
there's a generation I call the

2892
02:13:41,260 --> 02:13:39,320
experiment generation because they're

2893
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:41,270
growing up on technology which is

2894
02:13:46,180 --> 02:13:42,890
actually brought the world much closer

2895
02:13:48,430 --> 02:13:46,190
together if you're a kid you could have

2896
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:48,440
a pen pal in our day right to other

2897
02:13:50,890 --> 02:13:49,850
countries and stuff and now you just get

2898
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:50,900
online that that's it

2899
02:13:55,450 --> 02:13:53,450
so not a lot of ways we're more global

2900
02:13:57,730 --> 02:13:55,460
than we've ever been in history of

2901
02:14:00,160 --> 02:13:57,740
mankind and what that's done is like

2902
02:14:02,230 --> 02:14:00,170
when we were kids we were interested in

2903
02:14:03,670 --> 02:14:02,240
UFO Bermuda Triangle Bigfoot we're all

2904
02:14:06,580 --> 02:14:03,680
kind of considered weirdos that it was

2905
02:14:09,250 --> 02:14:06,590
some strange esoteric thing and now

2906
02:14:10,660 --> 02:14:09,260
people are open up to all that stuff the

2907
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:10,670
programming that I wanted to see as a

2908
02:14:15,670 --> 02:14:13,610
kid it's now available on Netflix and

2909
02:14:18,010 --> 02:14:15,680
everything so this is something that

2910
02:14:19,690 --> 02:14:18,020
that there's always been interest in but

2911
02:14:24,220 --> 02:14:19,700
never properly kind of market it in no

2912
02:14:25,630 --> 02:14:24,230
way if you will the under end of the

2913
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:25,640
pendulum with that is you've got the

2914
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:27,650
people who run with the conspiracies and

2915
02:14:32,590 --> 02:14:29,810
go online and and do stuff like the flat

2916
02:14:34,810 --> 02:14:32,600
earthers and everything else and so we

2917
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:34,820
kind of exist somewhere in between but

2918
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:37,520
we want to be more on on the you know

2919
02:14:42,310 --> 02:14:39,770
like quantum theory it's old theory

2920
02:14:43,720 --> 02:14:42,320
there's more evidence here and the

2921
02:14:46,030 --> 02:14:43,730
flying saucers and stuff that has been

2922
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:46,040
reported seeing Phoenix lights etc you

2923
02:14:51,670 --> 02:14:49,130
could put away someone for murder you

2924
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:51,680
know this would would equal that it's

2925
02:14:56,470 --> 02:14:54,170
more convincing and so when I think

2926
02:14:58,510 --> 02:14:56,480
about stuff like getting the word out

2927
02:15:00,190 --> 02:14:58,520
and getting people to go there I think

2928
02:15:02,590 --> 02:15:00,200
that they're pretty much already there

2929
02:15:05,980 --> 02:15:02,600
when I think of the president meeting

2930
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:05,990
DoD - our DoD needing the president I

2931
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:08,450
don't think that I don't understand if a

2932
02:15:13,390 --> 02:15:11,930
president will come out I mean it made

2933
02:15:15,670 --> 02:15:13,400
sense that I understand right around

2934
02:15:18,970 --> 02:15:15,680
Eisenhower and maybe up to Nixon maybe

2935
02:15:21,340 --> 02:15:18,980
Reagan possibly Bush's senior because he

2936
02:15:23,950 --> 02:15:21,350
was with the CIA knew exactly what was

2937
02:15:27,700 --> 02:15:23,960
going on but if you're in the office for

2938
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:27,710
four to eight years you're there's a

2939
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:29,450
chance that you don't need to know that

2940
02:15:32,350 --> 02:15:30,050
information

2941
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:32,360
unless something is coming where they

2942
02:15:35,140 --> 02:15:34,010
need to be you know prep so it doesn't

2943
02:15:39,220 --> 02:15:35,150
back they get caught with her right now

2944
02:15:42,910 --> 02:15:39,230
pants down if you go so I guess my

2945
02:15:45,640 --> 02:15:42,920
observation here is whether it's DoD or

2946
02:15:47,060 --> 02:15:45,650
some you know black ops or whatever it

2947
02:15:52,669 --> 02:15:47,070
is it's better on

2948
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:52,679
long long time and so unless it serves a

2949
02:15:56,359 --> 02:15:54,810
purpose it seems that the government

2950
02:15:58,040 --> 02:15:56,369
only does things a server but we only

2951
02:16:00,229 --> 02:15:58,050
invade a country because of oil because

2952
02:16:02,780 --> 02:16:00,239
of this or that so when it becomes

2953
02:16:04,819 --> 02:16:02,790
something to serve a purpose I feel like

2954
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:04,829
that's when it's gonna come out it's

2955
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:07,530
always a matter of incentivizing and so

2956
02:16:11,089 --> 02:16:09,090
whether the people are calling for and

2957
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:11,099
everything what is the incentive gonna

2958
02:16:19,339 --> 02:16:13,170
be for the government I guess my

2959
02:16:23,270 --> 02:16:19,349
question okay and so was that that was a

2960
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:23,280
question for Steve correct anyone okay

2961
02:16:29,300 --> 02:16:26,880
anyway anyway I'll take that I can say

2962
02:16:32,379 --> 02:16:29,310
for sure that during the Truman years

2963
02:16:35,060 --> 02:16:32,389
Truman was very plugged into all this

2964
02:16:38,860 --> 02:16:35,070
beyond that it's a little trickier we do

2965
02:16:41,179 --> 02:16:38,870
know that there's some presidents like

2966
02:16:44,270 --> 02:16:41,189
Ford for sure during his congressional

2967
02:16:46,250 --> 02:16:44,280
days that Carter had a sighting Reagan

2968
02:16:50,599 --> 02:16:46,260
was fascinated and apparently had a

2969
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:50,609
sighting so yeah but even for a

2970
02:16:54,620 --> 02:16:52,250
president and it's not gonna be UFOs

2971
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,630
24/7 I think that's some of the issue

2972
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:57,359
with the military as well these things

2973
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:00,000
pop up once in a while now and again

2974
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:02,880
here and there all over the face of the

2975
02:17:06,530 --> 02:17:03,090
earth

2976
02:17:08,959 --> 02:17:06,540
so is it a 24/7 thing I don't think that

2977
02:17:12,560 --> 02:17:08,969
it is obviously there are other things

2978
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:12,570
that are pressing top military guys top

2979
02:17:17,299 --> 02:17:15,210
presidents we don't know and this is a

2980
02:17:20,660 --> 02:17:17,309
this is I think important even though

2981
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:20,670
like at the scu conference Elizondo was

2982
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:22,530
asked specifically about this does he

2983
02:17:26,660 --> 02:17:24,479
have an idea on frequency he says he

2984
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,670
doesn't I think that's an important

2985
02:17:31,879 --> 02:17:29,280
question to answer we all have I think

2986
02:17:34,910 --> 02:17:31,889
are on the same page as far as thinking

2987
02:17:37,730 --> 02:17:34,920
that at least some of these UFOs might

2988
02:17:39,980 --> 02:17:37,740
be et and I certainly think that's the

2989
02:17:42,980 --> 02:17:39,990
case I go a little further than that but

2990
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:42,990
how many how often is it happening if we

2991
02:17:46,700 --> 02:17:44,729
accept that it's happening at all how

2992
02:17:48,919 --> 02:17:46,710
often is it happening a couple times a

2993
02:17:51,500 --> 02:17:48,929
year a couple times a month a couple

2994
02:17:53,450 --> 02:17:51,510
times every day that changes the

2995
02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:53,460
parameters of the debate quite a bit and

2996
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:57,210
I think we're not seeing that so that's

2997
02:18:02,879 --> 02:17:59,920
why we're not seeing the

2998
02:18:04,980 --> 02:18:02,889
full steam ahead effort from the very

2999
02:18:07,290 --> 02:18:04,990
top military people our president and so

3000
02:18:09,150 --> 02:18:07,300
on that's that's my opinion oh if anyone

3001
02:18:10,770 --> 02:18:09,160
else wants to jump in on that we do we

3002
02:18:12,060 --> 02:18:10,780
do have someone who wants to jump in and

3003
02:18:14,419 --> 02:18:12,070
thank you so much for that perspective

3004
02:18:17,850 --> 02:18:14,429
Frank really appreciate it we have Earl

3005
02:18:19,410 --> 02:18:17,860
Earl Grey who is chief investigator for

3006
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:19,420
the Southern California Chapter of move

3007
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:21,250
on Earl would you please chime in on

3008
02:18:25,980 --> 02:18:22,240
this topic

3009
02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:25,990
sure hello there Chet hello Frank

3010
02:18:34,440 --> 02:18:30,550
everybody um so I I don't know I as far

3011
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:34,450
as official disclosure goes I mean

3012
02:18:39,929 --> 02:18:37,689
differ from some of you guys opinion I

3013
02:18:43,169 --> 02:18:39,939
don't know if the president came out and

3014
02:18:46,350 --> 02:18:43,179
if he announced that extraterrestrials

3015
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:46,360
were here among us and visiting us half

3016
02:18:50,190 --> 02:18:48,370
of the country would believe him on the

3017
02:18:51,690 --> 02:18:50,200
other half how do you know if half the

3018
02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:51,700
country would believe him because things

3019
02:18:56,520 --> 02:18:55,150
have gotten so partisan recently I mean

3020
02:19:00,089 --> 02:18:56,530
I think that Ronald Reagan could have

3021
02:19:02,310 --> 02:19:00,099
done that I think that you know but I

3022
02:19:05,129 --> 02:19:02,320
think that things have become so

3023
02:19:08,009 --> 02:19:05,139
partisan that I don't know if that's

3024
02:19:12,209 --> 02:19:08,019
even the right venue to bring disclosure

3025
02:19:15,450 --> 02:19:12,219
to the public go through now I mean who

3026
02:19:21,509 --> 02:19:15,460
who does everybody trust you know Tom

3027
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:21,519
Hanks baby I mean you know half of the

3028
02:19:25,740 --> 02:19:22,960
country would think that it was a false

3029
02:19:28,049 --> 02:19:25,750
flag and the other half would just think

3030
02:19:30,120 --> 02:19:28,059
that he was you know that that yo

3031
02:19:32,120 --> 02:19:30,130
they're trying to divert our eyes you

3032
02:19:35,549 --> 02:19:32,130
know from from this issue and that issue

3033
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:35,559
so I don't even know you know I still

3034
02:19:39,950 --> 02:19:37,599
adhere to the idea that I think that we

3035
02:19:44,370 --> 02:19:39,960
are disclosure I think that it's slow

3036
02:19:47,730 --> 02:19:44,380
that that we are slowly you know it's

3037
02:19:50,370 --> 02:19:47,740
kind of a drip drip system haha maybe

3038
02:19:53,550 --> 02:19:50,380
this is true trickle down you you've

3039
02:19:55,170 --> 02:19:53,560
seen it in in economics and sometimes it

3040
02:19:57,719 --> 02:19:55,180
works sometimes it doesn't but perhaps

3041
02:20:00,840 --> 02:19:57,729
this is their their banner of disclosure

3042
02:20:03,719 --> 02:20:00,850
is through us and and and you know it's

3043
02:20:06,060 --> 02:20:03,729
been going on for a long time whether

3044
02:20:08,820 --> 02:20:06,070
whether in film or you know things like

3045
02:20:11,969 --> 02:20:08,830
Star Trek Star Wars and now of course

3046
02:20:13,650 --> 02:20:11,979
you know I guess the new show from the

3047
02:20:15,719 --> 02:20:13,660
the to the stars okay

3048
02:20:18,929 --> 02:20:15,729
guys I think that's going to be an

3049
02:20:21,360 --> 02:20:18,939
important thing I think that MUFON that

3050
02:20:23,219 --> 02:20:21,370
we've had our toe in that particular

3051
02:20:26,690 --> 02:20:23,229
pool with things like the Haines tour

3052
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:26,700
one show that we had at one time that

3053
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:31,090
disclosure is slowly you know it's it's

3054
02:20:37,650 --> 02:20:35,200
it's by slow immersion I think and but I

3055
02:20:39,210 --> 02:20:37,660
don't know that that if anybody I don't

3056
02:20:41,490 --> 02:20:39,220
think that there's any one person that

3057
02:20:45,179 --> 02:20:41,500
could get up and and announce that we're

3058
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:45,189
being visited and that UFOs or you ApS

3059
02:20:51,389 --> 02:20:48,970
are a real phenomena that everybody

3060
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:51,399
would accept well it's fine because I

3061
02:20:56,639 --> 02:20:53,200
just interject quickly the tic-tac

3062
02:20:58,350 --> 02:20:56,649
footage New York Times Pulitzer Prize I

3063
02:21:00,780 --> 02:20:58,360
mean it was presented in the best

3064
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:00,790
possible it was a dream sequence for us

3065
02:21:07,860 --> 02:21:04,570
right and the whole world didn't

3066
02:21:10,740 --> 02:21:07,870
collapse religions didn't end or are

3067
02:21:12,929 --> 02:21:10,750
become zealots it was a big story for

3068
02:21:14,850 --> 02:21:12,939
like two or three weeks they didn't cute

3069
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:14,860
the x-files soundtrack when they

3070
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:18,130
reported that story and everyone the

3071
02:21:22,170 --> 02:21:20,770
attitude across the board when I was

3072
02:21:23,700 --> 02:21:22,180
trying to get the gauge a temperature of

3073
02:21:26,429 --> 02:21:23,710
it was kind of like yeah we already

3074
02:21:28,620 --> 02:21:26,439
assumed that that was the case so nice

3075
02:21:30,660 --> 02:21:28,630
footage moving on integrated into our

3076
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:30,670
life and go back onto social media and

3077
02:21:33,960 --> 02:21:31,840
make sure you get a lot of likes on

3078
02:21:36,750 --> 02:21:33,970
Facebook yeah back back to Game of

3079
02:21:38,100 --> 02:21:36,760
Thrones you know yes Steve a you want to

3080
02:21:39,570 --> 02:21:38,110
jump in here I know where we've got a

3081
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:39,580
lot of people on so go ahead Steve you

3082
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:44,800
and quickly here's my response to when

3083
02:21:48,360 --> 02:21:46,810
the President of the United States more

3084
02:21:49,679 --> 02:21:48,370
it couldn't be President of Russia could

3085
02:21:50,700 --> 02:21:49,689
be president of China but let's just

3086
02:21:52,350 --> 02:21:50,710
talk about the United States when the

3087
02:21:54,510 --> 02:21:52,360
president the United States goes in

3088
02:21:56,670 --> 02:21:54,520
front of that microphone at the end of

3089
02:21:59,280 --> 02:21:56,680
Cross Hall in the East Wing and tells

3090
02:22:01,530 --> 02:21:59,290
the press as an extra presence he's not

3091
02:22:03,450 --> 02:22:01,540
gonna say or she's not gonna say there's

3092
02:22:06,330 --> 02:22:03,460
an extraterrestrial presence believe me

3093
02:22:10,139 --> 02:22:06,340
no then announce the extra-terrestrial

3094
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:10,149
presence and then probably right then if

3095
02:22:15,810 --> 02:22:13,330
not immediately the next day substantial

3096
02:22:18,570 --> 02:22:15,820
evidence is going to be released by the

3097
02:22:20,460 --> 02:22:18,580
Department of Defense way beyond what

3098
02:22:22,380 --> 02:22:20,470
we've seen from the to the Stars Academy

3099
02:22:25,050 --> 02:22:22,390
I can assure you that will leave

3100
02:22:27,091 --> 02:22:25,060
absolutely no doubt whatsoever in

3101
02:22:29,761 --> 02:22:27,101
anybody's mind

3102
02:22:31,501 --> 02:22:29,771
then furthermore other countries will

3103
02:22:33,571 --> 02:22:31,511
immediately follow with their own

3104
02:22:36,571 --> 02:22:33,581
announcements and their own evidence

3105
02:22:38,071 --> 02:22:36,581
coming from their military so you don't

3106
02:22:39,631 --> 02:22:38,081
think of it as like a single single

3107
02:22:42,810 --> 02:22:39,641
announcement who's gonna believe it I

3108
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:42,820
assure you it will be locked down within

3109
02:22:48,541 --> 02:22:46,690
a day and solid and and in other words

3110
02:22:51,841 --> 02:22:48,551
they're happy for disclosure to happen

3111
02:22:53,100 --> 02:22:51,851
there has to be a coming together of the

3112
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:53,110
Department of Defense in the United

3113
02:22:57,991 --> 02:22:55,120
States and the White House that has

3114
02:22:59,911 --> 02:22:58,001
never happened but what we know now from

3115
02:23:02,491 --> 02:22:59,921
the to the start Academy's activity is

3116
02:23:04,770 --> 02:23:02,501
that in their own way the department

3117
02:23:08,581 --> 02:23:04,780
defense has said is sending out the

3118
02:23:10,890 --> 02:23:08,591
message we're ready to do business when

3119
02:23:12,751 --> 02:23:10,900
you're ready to get down to business and

3120
02:23:14,491 --> 02:23:12,761
the other thing I want to mention is the

3121
02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:14,501
Department of Defense cannot disclose

3122
02:23:20,041 --> 02:23:17,200
the et presence just like the Department

3123
02:23:23,850 --> 02:23:20,051
of Defense cannot declare war the DoD

3124
02:23:28,321 --> 02:23:23,860
can't declare war only the Congress can

3125
02:23:30,690 --> 02:23:28,331
declare war right so be assured there

3126
02:23:32,970 --> 02:23:30,700
will be no ambiguity with the disclosure

3127
02:23:35,491 --> 02:23:32,980
event and while a few people may hold

3128
02:23:37,051 --> 02:23:35,501
out the vast majority the world's public

3129
02:23:39,421 --> 02:23:37,061
will be on board within days

3130
02:23:40,980 --> 02:23:39,431
so what you're saying basically steve is

3131
02:23:43,350 --> 02:23:40,990
that if they made that kind of an

3132
02:23:46,081 --> 02:23:43,360
announcement they'd have the evidence to

3133
02:23:47,881 --> 02:23:46,091
back it up they wouldn't happen I will

3134
02:23:49,770 --> 02:23:47,891
have evidence from their world from

3135
02:23:53,011 --> 02:23:49,780
their files some of which we've never

3136
02:23:57,001 --> 02:23:53,021
seen more gun camera footage you name it

3137
02:23:59,821 --> 02:23:57,011
that will just absolutely make it clear

3138
02:24:02,461 --> 02:23:59,831
they'd be crazy not to and that's why

3139
02:24:04,020 --> 02:24:02,471
you're seeing what we have what the

3140
02:24:06,930 --> 02:24:04,030
activist movement has been trying to do

3141
02:24:08,671 --> 02:24:06,940
all along is to try to persuade the

3142
02:24:11,281 --> 02:24:08,681
Department of Defense and the White

3143
02:24:15,150 --> 02:24:11,291
House to get together come up with the

3144
02:24:17,071 --> 02:24:15,160
the the method to get this out and end

3145
02:24:19,890 --> 02:24:17,081
it and we haven't been able to do it yet

3146
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:19,900
but Tom DeLonge and the and the fellows

3147
02:24:22,140 --> 02:24:21,610
of the to the Stars Academy what can I

3148
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:22,150
say

3149
02:24:26,730 --> 02:24:24,610
they have been allowed to take a major

3150
02:24:29,041 --> 02:24:26,740
step in that direction and as I said

3151
02:24:30,661 --> 02:24:29,051
before that to the Stars Academy was

3152
02:24:34,020 --> 02:24:30,671
probably supposed to be announced after

3153
02:24:36,211 --> 02:24:34,030
the write out after the election of 2016

3154
02:24:39,060 --> 02:24:36,221
based upon what they thought was going

3155
02:24:40,650 --> 02:24:39,070
to happen the election did not turn out

3156
02:24:43,051 --> 02:24:40,660
like they thought

3157
02:24:45,240 --> 02:24:43,061
as a result it through their plans up in

3158
02:24:48,330 --> 02:24:45,250
the air and created a significant

3159
02:24:50,520 --> 02:24:48,340
problem and it took them 11 months

3160
02:24:54,660 --> 02:24:50,530
before they could make the decision to

3161
02:24:56,460 --> 02:24:54,670
announce in October of 2017 they went

3162
02:24:58,890 --> 02:24:56,470
ahead with the the articles in The New

3163
02:25:01,020 --> 02:24:58,900
York Times which they generated and the

3164
02:25:04,680 --> 02:25:01,030
political hurricane wherein was is still

3165
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:04,690
so intense that those major events sort

3166
02:25:09,930 --> 02:25:07,120
of got sucked into you know into the

3167
02:25:12,091 --> 02:25:09,940
void and so they sort of backed off but

3168
02:25:13,860 --> 02:25:12,101
as you know new developments are coming

3169
02:25:16,140 --> 02:25:13,870
the unidentified show launches on the

3170
02:25:18,330 --> 02:25:16,150
31st you're gonna see some amazing stuff

3171
02:25:19,890 --> 02:25:18,340
coming out of that program and expect

3172
02:25:22,320 --> 02:25:19,900
much more from the two stars Academy

3173
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:22,330
thank you very much for having covered

3174
02:25:27,301 --> 02:25:24,010
all that I wanted to ask

3175
02:25:29,460 --> 02:25:27,311
irena dr. rena Scott we've gone over a

3176
02:25:32,940 --> 02:25:29,470
plethora of topics here did you have any

3177
02:25:37,560 --> 02:25:32,950
comment about any of them dr. Scott I've

3178
02:25:40,140 --> 02:25:37,570
worked through research a scientific

3179
02:25:43,620 --> 02:25:40,150
organization and started the project to

3180
02:25:50,011 --> 02:25:43,630
get me actually scientists in interested

3181
02:25:52,320 --> 02:25:50,021
in the UFO phenomena and I had a ward

3182
02:25:54,030 --> 02:25:52,330
not too long ago for the mouth people

3183
02:25:56,060 --> 02:25:54,040
that read the material and we're

3184
02:26:03,200 --> 02:25:56,070
interested so at least there's some

3185
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:03,210
interest in among scientists I hope will

3186
02:26:14,250 --> 02:26:09,210
bring people forth - I think the

3187
02:26:19,350 --> 02:26:14,260
disclosure I think that probably the UFO

3188
02:26:21,690 --> 02:26:19,360
phenomena should needs to do themselves

3189
02:26:23,430 --> 02:26:21,700
- because I don't know having the

3190
02:26:28,290 --> 02:26:23,440
government say things will actually

3191
02:26:30,091 --> 02:26:28,300
convince people what a great what great

3192
02:26:32,670 --> 02:26:30,101
insight that is to say that I agree with

3193
02:26:35,160 --> 02:26:32,680
you Irina and I wanted to ask rich

3194
02:26:37,761 --> 02:26:35,170
Hoffman didn't you have a comment you

3195
02:26:41,250 --> 02:26:37,771
wanted to make to Steve Bassett

3196
02:26:43,560 --> 02:26:41,260
regarding evidence and about alien or

3197
02:26:45,841 --> 02:26:43,570
crashed saucers and about scientists

3198
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:45,851
arguing the evidence to death how do you

3199
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:46,690
feel about that

3200
02:26:52,051 --> 02:26:48,490
could you please chime in about that

3201
02:26:53,700 --> 02:26:52,061
regarding your comment - Steve well I'm

3202
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:53,710
just saying

3203
02:26:58,590 --> 02:26:56,080
you know like there have been so many

3204
02:27:00,960 --> 02:26:58,600
cases that are incredibly documented

3205
02:27:03,210 --> 02:27:00,970
there's a lot of cases the around cases

3206
02:27:06,269 --> 02:27:03,220
one of those things I think about it's a

3207
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:06,279
dia there's there's I've been involved

3208
02:27:10,740 --> 02:27:08,170
in this for like you know I guess 55

3209
02:27:12,420 --> 02:27:10,750
years and I've always been saying what

3210
02:27:14,309 --> 02:27:12,430
what would it take for me to get

3211
02:27:16,610 --> 02:27:14,319
evidence that would actually indicate

3212
02:27:20,429 --> 02:27:16,620
that there's actually something here uh

3213
02:27:22,439 --> 02:27:20,439
and we've always thought that we would

3214
02:27:24,540 --> 02:27:22,449
get some sort of maybe like metals or

3215
02:27:26,460 --> 02:27:24,550
something like that that would be a good

3216
02:27:29,340 --> 02:27:26,470
indicator and then it would how would

3217
02:27:31,979 --> 02:27:29,350
you justify the fact that that is from

3218
02:27:33,780 --> 02:27:31,989
off earth and you then people would come

3219
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:33,790
up and speak and say that well you know

3220
02:27:37,860 --> 02:27:35,290
it's going to have a different isotopic

3221
02:27:39,870 --> 02:27:37,870
ratio or it's going to have other kinds

3222
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:39,880
of like you know characteristics that we

3223
02:27:45,750 --> 02:27:42,370
can't combine with other metals and and

3224
02:27:47,519 --> 02:27:45,760
then you watch as every time something

3225
02:27:49,950 --> 02:27:47,529
like you know good what you think would

3226
02:27:51,990 --> 02:27:49,960
be a good case is brought up it's

3227
02:27:54,510 --> 02:27:52,000
basically just you know ignored or

3228
02:27:56,880 --> 02:27:54,520
dismissed or it's never really amounted

3229
02:27:59,790 --> 02:27:56,890
to much when you look at even those

3230
02:28:03,240 --> 02:27:59,800
those wonderful you know hearings like

3231
02:28:05,370 --> 02:28:03,250
Steve had you know I was I watched that

3232
02:28:07,769 --> 02:28:05,380
whole week in awe of just that whole

3233
02:28:09,150 --> 02:28:07,779
mock congressional hearing because I

3234
02:28:11,729 --> 02:28:09,160
think we were trying to lay out the

3235
02:28:14,250 --> 02:28:11,739
cards and you saw all those those

3236
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:14,260
congressional leaders saying wow you

3237
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:16,000
know gee I didn't know this and this is

3238
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:18,670
great stuff and and then you'd hope that

3239
02:28:23,309 --> 02:28:21,130
that would go somewhere and so I guess I

3240
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:23,319
spent my entire life hoping that we'll

3241
02:28:29,910 --> 02:28:26,080
get something that would be considerable

3242
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:29,920
evidence that would allow something like

3243
02:28:33,750 --> 02:28:32,080
a president to come forward and I think

3244
02:28:36,679 --> 02:28:33,760
that it it would almost have to be on

3245
02:28:40,200 --> 02:28:36,689
the scale that one crash in downtown

3246
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:40,210
Washington or you know or it landed the

3247
02:28:46,860 --> 02:28:43,410
land of there or there were the some

3248
02:28:50,670 --> 02:28:46,870
incredible evidence that would be looked

3249
02:28:53,010 --> 02:28:50,680
at by many many many many scientists

3250
02:28:56,519 --> 02:28:53,020
from different fields and they would

3251
02:28:58,830 --> 02:28:56,529
somehow like agree because a lot of them

3252
02:29:01,200 --> 02:28:58,840
you know there's a lot of even within

3253
02:29:02,760 --> 02:29:01,210
science there's a lot of stuff that gets

3254
02:29:05,951 --> 02:29:02,770
peer-reviewed and people just don't

3255
02:29:07,991 --> 02:29:05,961
accept it and so there's

3256
02:29:11,201 --> 02:29:08,001
tremendous amount of skepticism about

3257
02:29:13,361 --> 02:29:11,211
TTS a especially even within the UFO

3258
02:29:16,690 --> 02:29:13,371
community I mean they even attack them

3259
02:29:18,850 --> 02:29:16,700
all the time but I weren't gonna I work

3260
02:29:21,701 --> 02:29:18,860
with the army and a head core four-star

3261
02:29:25,961 --> 02:29:21,711
headquarters and I don't see any

3262
02:29:31,390 --> 02:29:25,971
interest whatsoever by any of the people

3263
02:29:34,390 --> 02:29:31,400
there in this topic and so man it's

3264
02:29:38,701 --> 02:29:34,400
gonna take some very very serious stuff

3265
02:29:41,850 --> 02:29:38,711
and I'm hoping if people like Steve and

3266
02:29:44,890 --> 02:29:41,860
even Jan if you know it move on and and

3267
02:29:47,501 --> 02:29:44,900
we all continue to get this message

3268
02:29:49,901 --> 02:29:47,511
through in the United States which

3269
02:29:53,801 --> 02:29:49,911
seemingly has adopted this you know

3270
02:29:55,810 --> 02:29:53,811
whatever policy that and I understand

3271
02:29:57,341 --> 02:29:55,820
part that policy because I work with it

3272
02:30:00,791 --> 02:29:57,351
then you know national security

3273
02:30:04,151 --> 02:30:00,801
agreement kinds of like they myself and

3274
02:30:06,190 --> 02:30:04,161
I know that there's a large degree of

3275
02:30:07,720 --> 02:30:06,200
caution about talking about certain

3276
02:30:09,611 --> 02:30:07,730
things it's gonna I guess what I'm

3277
02:30:11,801 --> 02:30:09,621
trying to say is that there's a

3278
02:30:14,621 --> 02:30:11,811
tremendous cultural change that's gonna

3279
02:30:16,751 --> 02:30:14,631
have to happen hopefully that will keep

3280
02:30:19,381 --> 02:30:16,761
up with it will keep putting pressure on

3281
02:30:24,671 --> 02:30:19,391
trying to get you know people to

3282
02:30:27,581 --> 02:30:24,681
understand this and and we are

3283
02:30:29,531 --> 02:30:27,591
challenged as or all pointed out where

3284
02:30:31,060 --> 02:30:29,541
you've got you know a president that

3285
02:30:33,640 --> 02:30:31,070
says something right now and

3286
02:30:35,951 --> 02:30:33,650
unfortunately a lot of half of the half

3287
02:30:37,930 --> 02:30:35,961
of the country dismisses it and it's you

3288
02:30:40,390 --> 02:30:37,940
know it's and the other half maybe

3289
02:30:42,850 --> 02:30:40,400
believes it wholeheartedly and and it's

3290
02:30:45,911 --> 02:30:42,860
just there's so much mistrust of bad

3291
02:30:47,261 --> 02:30:45,921
even in the with Millennials out there

3292
02:30:50,470 --> 02:30:47,271
and these are the people that are coming

3293
02:30:52,930 --> 02:30:50,480
up after I I go off like Stanton did you

3294
02:30:56,411 --> 02:30:52,940
know it's like there's gonna be that

3295
02:31:01,001 --> 02:30:56,421
millennial group and oh my god the

3296
02:31:04,270 --> 02:31:01,011
critical thinking is gone on that by the

3297
02:31:06,461 --> 02:31:04,280
way there are multiple civilizations of

3298
02:31:09,041 --> 02:31:06,471
aliens out here and they you know and

3299
02:31:14,591 --> 02:31:09,051
they buy and believe everything I mean

3300
02:31:16,270 --> 02:31:14,601
so wow I'm just very concerned about how

3301
02:31:19,810 --> 02:31:16,280
we're gonna get there I love it if that

3302
02:31:20,300 --> 02:31:19,820
were the case but I just Wow it's going

3303
02:31:22,580 --> 02:31:20,310
to take it

3304
02:31:26,030 --> 02:31:22,590
mandus tremendous thing that happened

3305
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:26,040
well there has been out that yeah let me

3306
02:31:29,870 --> 02:31:27,810
let me jump in here really quick it uh

3307
02:31:31,729 --> 02:31:29,880
yell it there let's bring Steve back in

3308
02:31:33,229 --> 02:31:31,739
on this and I Steve we talked about this

3309
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:33,239
before when you were on with us last

3310
02:31:38,870 --> 02:31:36,090
year that the the interest in the UFO

3311
02:31:40,910 --> 02:31:38,880
subject has in fact then over the years

3312
02:31:44,359 --> 02:31:40,920
been bipartisan

3313
02:31:46,609 --> 02:31:44,369
would it not take a sort of a bipartisan

3314
02:31:50,179 --> 02:31:46,619
effort to do a full and proper

3315
02:31:53,899 --> 02:31:50,189
disclosure that you're talking about let

3316
02:31:56,359 --> 02:31:53,909
me rephrase that disclosure the policy

3317
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:56,369
of the government on the ET issue is not

3318
02:32:01,309 --> 02:31:59,760
scientific its political the evidence

3319
02:32:04,910 --> 02:32:01,319
for the Exodus restive presence has been

3320
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:04,920
has been piled up it's ten times over if

3321
02:32:08,510 --> 02:32:06,960
this was simply an evidentiary matter we

3322
02:32:12,500 --> 02:32:08,520
would have gotten probably disclosure

3323
02:32:14,149 --> 02:32:12,510
about 1953 we almost got it in 47 but

3324
02:32:16,460 --> 02:32:14,159
they turned the story around before the

3325
02:32:18,229 --> 02:32:16,470
press got to Roswell the political

3326
02:32:20,809 --> 02:32:18,239
decision was made to embargo the issue

3327
02:32:23,929 --> 02:32:20,819
it's like embargo of Cuba the embargo of

3328
02:32:25,790 --> 02:32:23,939
Cuba was is not a science issue it's a

3329
02:32:27,830 --> 02:32:25,800
political issue the government doesn't

3330
02:32:30,349 --> 02:32:27,840
want you to go there and if you go there

3331
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:30,359
it'll it'll hurt you the same thing with

3332
02:32:36,500 --> 02:32:32,970
the et issue the government does not

3333
02:32:38,630 --> 02:32:36,510
want academics doesn't want the media or

3334
02:32:41,210 --> 02:32:38,640
just anybody in general to probe or push

3335
02:32:44,689 --> 02:32:41,220
too hard in an ET issue its embargoed

3336
02:32:47,899 --> 02:32:44,699
for national security reasons alright so

3337
02:32:50,870 --> 02:32:47,909
the answer to it is political disclosure

3338
02:32:53,030 --> 02:32:50,880
will be a political act not a scientific

3339
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:53,040
act the evidence that the government

3340
02:32:57,800 --> 02:32:55,680
provide obviously will be scientific but

3341
02:32:59,870 --> 02:32:57,810
it will be to substantiate the political

3342
02:33:01,880 --> 02:32:59,880
act and because disclosure is a

3343
02:33:04,130 --> 02:33:01,890
political act it's very much impacted by

3344
02:33:07,370 --> 02:33:04,140
political developments and there's this

3345
02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:07,380
whole history of the last 50 years about

3346
02:33:13,460 --> 02:33:08,880
the political circumstances under

3347
02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:13,470
Clinton versus Bush versus Obama versus

3348
02:33:18,439 --> 02:33:16,560
Trump all of which were very significant

3349
02:33:20,929 --> 02:33:18,449
in terms of whether or not disclosure

3350
02:33:24,519 --> 02:33:20,939
was possible the fact is we have had a

3351
02:33:27,500 --> 02:33:24,529
very tumultuous 40 years of politics

3352
02:33:30,229 --> 02:33:27,510
enormous amounts of controversy and that

3353
02:33:32,750 --> 02:33:30,239
has not helped the current situation

3354
02:33:34,849 --> 02:33:32,760
right now is definitely awkward because

3355
02:33:37,849 --> 02:33:34,859
we have a president who

3356
02:33:41,239 --> 02:33:37,859
as a matter of habit is a very

3357
02:33:45,409 --> 02:33:41,249
mendacious person and so if a person who

3358
02:33:47,359 --> 02:33:45,419
is known to work with the truth on a

3359
02:33:50,149 --> 02:33:47,369
regular basis comes down announce the et

3360
02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:50,159
presence a little awkward but there is

3361
02:33:54,619 --> 02:33:52,800
one compelling well let me do it here

3362
02:33:56,719 --> 02:33:54,629
yeah let me jump in here really quick

3363
02:33:59,929 --> 02:33:56,729
guest Steve because our current

3364
02:34:02,779 --> 02:33:59,939
president has talked about a deep state

3365
02:34:04,639 --> 02:34:02,789
a state that has worked against him that

3366
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:04,649
is not telling the truth that is

3367
02:34:09,619 --> 02:34:06,409
dishonest that has its own agenda

3368
02:34:13,639 --> 02:34:09,629
doesn't that message play right into him

3369
02:34:15,739 --> 02:34:13,649
disclosing not exactly the fact is is

3370
02:34:17,599 --> 02:34:15,749
that the government's always had a

3371
02:34:18,979 --> 02:34:17,609
problem the DoD's always had a problem

3372
02:34:20,569 --> 02:34:18,989
and then it's been part of it's been

3373
02:34:22,279 --> 02:34:20,579
part of it and maintaining the truth of

3374
02:34:24,949 --> 02:34:22,289
mark over 70 years which means that the

3375
02:34:27,199 --> 02:34:24,959
DoD has been lying to us on this issue

3376
02:34:28,699 --> 02:34:27,209
for 70 years of course the DoD lied to

3377
02:34:31,969 --> 02:34:28,709
us about Iraq and lied to us about

3378
02:34:35,119 --> 02:34:31,979
Vietnam for national security reasons

3379
02:34:36,859 --> 02:34:35,129
lies are part of the the game and of

3380
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:36,869
course that's a problem it undermines

3381
02:34:42,290 --> 02:34:39,930
their ability to take an action light

3382
02:34:44,449 --> 02:34:42,300
disclosure now but then the White House

3383
02:34:47,569 --> 02:34:44,459
has also been involved in lies well

3384
02:34:49,790 --> 02:34:47,579
that's just the reality of it and so how

3385
02:34:54,229 --> 02:34:49,800
do you how do you get out of that it's

3386
02:34:56,330 --> 02:34:54,239
not easy right it is not easy at all but

3387
02:35:00,619 --> 02:34:56,340
the step that was taken by the to the

3388
02:35:02,899 --> 02:35:00,629
Stars Academy is a signal is a real game

3389
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:02,909
changer in terms of moving us to that

3390
02:35:08,510 --> 02:35:06,810
place where they can act and get a

3391
02:35:12,019 --> 02:35:08,520
relatively strong and immediate

3392
02:35:14,920 --> 02:35:12,029
reception let me be clear the United

3393
02:35:19,189 --> 02:35:14,930
States government has thousands and

3394
02:35:22,909 --> 02:35:19,199
thousands of you AP intercept gun camera

3395
02:35:24,460 --> 02:35:22,919
footage all right okay release three and

3396
02:35:27,529 --> 02:35:24,470
created quite a stir

3397
02:35:31,519 --> 02:35:27,539
particularly the Tic Tac what if they

3398
02:35:33,109 --> 02:35:31,529
released 500 clips of 500 intercepts

3399
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:33,119
with these things flying all over the

3400
02:35:36,649 --> 02:35:35,760
place it huge speeds people got a little

3401
02:35:37,939 --> 02:35:36,659
wait a minute

3402
02:35:40,880 --> 02:35:37,949
but of course they haven't done that

3403
02:35:43,819 --> 02:35:40,890
this they've taken a step forward but

3404
02:35:46,650 --> 02:35:43,829
let me be clear their intention was to

3405
02:35:49,710 --> 02:35:46,660
act in 19 in 2016

3406
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:49,720
the situation politically has delayed a

3407
02:35:58,130 --> 02:35:54,490
a major development but it will not stop

3408
02:36:01,469 --> 02:35:58,140
it because there is one fundamental

3409
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:01,479
driving issue that the government both

3410
02:36:06,929 --> 02:36:04,720
the White House and the DoD cannot get

3411
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:06,939
away from and that is this it's as

3412
02:36:11,070 --> 02:36:08,170
simple as possible

3413
02:36:14,460 --> 02:36:11,080
Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping of China

3414
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:14,470
can announce the et presence tomorrow if

3415
02:36:19,080 --> 02:36:16,990
they want to and they will have plenty

3416
02:36:21,060 --> 02:36:19,090
of evidence to back them up and that

3417
02:36:25,710 --> 02:36:21,070
will be the end and the United States

3418
02:36:28,110 --> 02:36:25,720
will have to follow second or third this

3419
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,120
will be a geopolitical catastrophe for

3420
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:31,120
the United States and so and unless the

3421
02:36:36,810 --> 02:36:34,479
the DoD can convince me that they

3422
02:36:39,420 --> 02:36:36,820
control that Amir Putin and Xi Jinping

3423
02:36:42,630 --> 02:36:39,430
and that these two gentlemen do what

3424
02:36:45,120 --> 02:36:42,640
they want them to do at any day any time

3425
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:45,130
one of those two nations will take the

3426
02:36:50,490 --> 02:36:47,920
glory the political legacy of being the

3427
02:36:52,679 --> 02:36:50,500
Disclosure country and we can't stop it

3428
02:36:54,750 --> 02:36:52,689
and that is one of the reasons I believe

3429
02:36:57,330 --> 02:36:54,760
that the Pentagon is decided to make

3430
02:36:59,250 --> 02:36:57,340
this move because there is ample

3431
02:37:01,800 --> 02:36:59,260
evidence that Putin is considering this

3432
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:01,810
and could do it at any time in fact it

3433
02:37:07,380 --> 02:37:03,970
fits completely into his agenda so this

3434
02:37:10,830 --> 02:37:07,390
is a global political issue with huge

3435
02:37:13,020 --> 02:37:10,840
stakes right it's transcends the

3436
02:37:15,660 --> 02:37:13,030
evidentiary aspect of it there's

3437
02:37:16,950 --> 02:37:15,670
evidence everywhere it's a political

3438
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:16,960
problem but if you look at the world

3439
02:37:22,020 --> 02:37:20,290
today list all the major problems that

3440
02:37:24,500 --> 02:37:22,030
we're facing that we can't resolve

3441
02:37:27,719 --> 02:37:24,510
because of all this political

3442
02:37:29,550 --> 02:37:27,729
dysfunction that exists not only in the

3443
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:29,560
United States but in between other

3444
02:37:34,860 --> 02:37:32,560
nations we're and at the same time we're

3445
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:34,870
running out of time we're on the verge

3446
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:37,330
of another war eventually we're gonna

3447
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:40,090
stumble into a nuclear war we've got

3448
02:37:44,610 --> 02:37:42,310
massive environmental degradation we no

3449
02:37:47,730 --> 02:37:44,620
longer have the luxury of screwing

3450
02:37:50,429 --> 02:37:47,740
around we need to get going and nothing

3451
02:37:52,639 --> 02:37:50,439
would get us going faster than for the

3452
02:37:54,750 --> 02:37:52,649
disclosure event to take place and

3453
02:37:57,630 --> 02:37:54,760
galvanize the interest and the

3454
02:38:00,511 --> 02:37:57,640
imagination and the energy of seven

3455
02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:00,521
billion people to engaging New World

3456
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:03,370
and start getting things done there is

3457
02:38:07,890 --> 02:38:06,010
really just an open-ended question for

3458
02:38:12,301 --> 02:38:07,900
anybody it seems to me there's clearly

3459
02:38:15,480 --> 02:38:12,311
an inside team in the Pentagon feeding T

3460
02:38:21,690 --> 02:38:15,490
TSA on the outside yes anyone have any

3461
02:38:25,470 --> 02:38:21,700
thoughts on that yes that's true I guess

3462
02:38:26,671 --> 02:38:25,480
that'll tie into my question the reason

3463
02:38:28,410 --> 02:38:26,681
why I went to the Iraq war

3464
02:38:31,980 --> 02:38:28,420
first and foremost and it's never given

3465
02:38:34,171 --> 02:38:31,990
enough weight is the fact that junior

3466
02:38:37,560 --> 02:38:34,181
was pissed off that his father was

3467
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:37,570
threatened by Saddam put out a hit on

3468
02:38:41,671 --> 02:38:40,000
his father and when he came in off as he

3469
02:38:44,250 --> 02:38:41,681
said we're going in there were taking

3470
02:38:45,810 --> 02:38:44,260
him out that's a number one that was the

3471
02:38:47,220 --> 02:38:45,820
main motivator to go in there people

3472
02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:47,230
talk about oil and stuff we could have

3473
02:38:51,690 --> 02:38:49,690
done that any time but everything got

3474
02:38:53,940 --> 02:38:51,700
diverted switched from Afghanistan into

3475
02:38:57,030 --> 02:38:53,950
that his objective was to do that

3476
02:38:58,950 --> 02:38:57,040
DoD didn't fake the evidence if DoD did

3477
02:39:02,970 --> 02:38:58,960
that they might have been able to

3478
02:39:04,890 --> 02:39:02,980
actually bring in actual material that's

3479
02:39:09,301 --> 02:39:04,900
why I always scratch my head when people

3480
02:39:11,100 --> 02:39:09,311
say Oh 9/11 was all was engineered they

3481
02:39:13,620 --> 02:39:11,110
flew the planes in we all did and I'm

3482
02:39:14,910 --> 02:39:13,630
like okay if we were able to do that and

3483
02:39:16,801 --> 02:39:14,920
then detonate the buildings which is

3484
02:39:20,580 --> 02:39:16,811
part of the other conspiracy how did we

3485
02:39:22,290 --> 02:39:20,590
not go and plant evidence in Iraq how

3486
02:39:24,360 --> 02:39:22,300
did we go all the way over there and say

3487
02:39:28,261 --> 02:39:24,370
oh well excuse my language

3488
02:39:31,171 --> 02:39:28,271
there is nothing here and so when it

3489
02:39:32,790 --> 02:39:31,181
comes to DoD that's its own I look at

3490
02:39:34,530 --> 02:39:32,800
that it's kind of its own separate thing

3491
02:39:37,080 --> 02:39:34,540
that's been around forever

3492
02:39:40,140 --> 02:39:37,090
it's it's been around longer than the

3493
02:39:42,511 --> 02:39:40,150
Supreme you know court officials and so

3494
02:39:44,131 --> 02:39:42,521
they're embedded and so someone coming

3495
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:44,141
in and they're only there for like her

3496
02:39:47,881 --> 02:39:45,490
administration is only there for like

3497
02:39:50,250 --> 02:39:47,891
four to eight years that's that's

3498
02:39:53,220 --> 02:39:50,260
temporary and so again my question

3499
02:39:55,080 --> 02:39:53,230
coming back to it is what is the

3500
02:39:56,761 --> 02:39:55,090
incentive for the government to do this

3501
02:39:59,160 --> 02:39:56,771
and then ultimately if they come out and

3502
02:40:02,690 --> 02:39:59,170
say what we all kind of know and believe

3503
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:02,700
that we have there is an alien presence

3504
02:40:06,841 --> 02:40:05,200
where do we go from there what is that

3505
02:40:09,330 --> 02:40:06,851
going to be is that going to mean that

3506
02:40:09,841 --> 02:40:09,340
we need to have them converse with us go

3507
02:40:12,390 --> 02:40:09,851
on

3508
02:40:13,069 --> 02:40:12,400
you know Oprah what is ultimately that

3509
02:40:15,559 --> 02:40:13,079
going to be we're going

3510
02:40:17,179 --> 02:40:15,569
ask them hey can you help us with them

3511
02:40:18,999 --> 02:40:17,189
climate because we've kind of screwed

3512
02:40:21,619 --> 02:40:19,009
things up I mean what is the ultimate

3513
02:40:24,459 --> 02:40:21,629
end-all goal here to connect with them

3514
02:40:27,729 --> 02:40:24,469
and what what's the possible outcome

3515
02:40:30,289 --> 02:40:27,739
well I've talked about that at length

3516
02:40:30,739 --> 02:40:30,299
once the disclosure event is out of the

3517
02:40:32,749 --> 02:40:30,749
way

3518
02:40:35,769 --> 02:40:32,759
I assure you for the two years that

3519
02:40:38,329 --> 02:40:35,779
follows it's going to be ETS 24 and 7

3520
02:40:39,589 --> 02:40:38,339
and after about six months of that

3521
02:40:41,089 --> 02:40:39,599
you're all going to be sick to death

3522
02:40:43,459 --> 02:40:41,099
you're not gonna want to hear one more

3523
02:40:45,050 --> 02:40:43,469
thing about ETS and of course will be

3524
02:40:47,089 --> 02:40:45,060
getting hard information it'll be the

3525
02:40:49,129 --> 02:40:47,099
real thing it's not gonna what most of

3526
02:40:52,279 --> 02:40:49,139
the photo of the the hoaxes and the

3527
02:40:54,349 --> 02:40:52,289
frauds will disappear and we're gonna

3528
02:40:56,649 --> 02:40:54,359
have an intense global engagement of

3529
02:41:00,589 --> 02:40:56,659
this issue with a huge learning curve

3530
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:00,599
after about two years of that I think

3531
02:41:05,329 --> 02:41:02,479
it's perfectly reasonable to say that

3532
02:41:07,699 --> 02:41:05,339
open contact with extraterrestrials

3533
02:41:09,589 --> 02:41:07,709
however they wish to have that open

3534
02:41:12,199 --> 02:41:09,599
contact will be if anything

3535
02:41:14,510 --> 02:41:12,209
anti-climactic in other words the door

3536
02:41:16,729 --> 02:41:14,520
will be open for ETS to directly engage

3537
02:41:18,949 --> 02:41:16,739
governments to be known as doing such

3538
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:18,959
may be even seen as doing such and the

3539
02:41:22,699 --> 02:41:20,399
people will be going oh that's really

3540
02:41:25,550 --> 02:41:22,709
cool what are they having to say that

3541
02:41:26,989 --> 02:41:25,560
can't happen before disclosure some

3542
02:41:29,089 --> 02:41:26,999
people think it's already happened but

3543
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:29,099
it's been made secretive so so it's

3544
02:41:35,179 --> 02:41:32,399
disclosure learning curve open contact

3545
02:41:37,399 --> 02:41:35,189
and then if you want to get really spicy

3546
02:41:40,329 --> 02:41:37,409
I happen to think I know what that open

3547
02:41:44,749 --> 02:41:40,339
contact is going to begin with

3548
02:41:47,479 --> 02:41:44,759
get spicy Steve yeah is there one of the

3549
02:41:52,010 --> 02:41:47,489
reasons that that the extra-terrestrial

3550
02:41:56,149 --> 02:41:52,020
engagement escalated in 1947 is that

3551
02:41:59,179 --> 02:41:56,159
from 1945 to early forty-seven the et

3552
02:42:01,010 --> 02:41:59,189
saw us build a nuclear bomb test a

3553
02:42:03,769 --> 02:42:01,020
nuclear bomb and dropped nuclear bombs

3554
02:42:06,609 --> 02:42:03,779
and then in 1946 they saw what was

3555
02:42:09,739 --> 02:42:06,619
clearly going to be a developing nuclear

3556
02:42:12,589 --> 02:42:09,749
I guess you could say potential war

3557
02:42:15,619 --> 02:42:12,599
between the US and Soviet Union and they

3558
02:42:17,989 --> 02:42:15,629
decided to engage that but that's not

3559
02:42:19,489 --> 02:42:17,999
the only reason the extraterrestrials

3560
02:42:20,989 --> 02:42:19,499
are fully aware of how advanced how

3561
02:42:23,619 --> 02:42:20,999
might the advances that we're making in

3562
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:23,629
terms of understanding the potential

3563
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:26,850
modalities for interstellar travel

3564
02:42:29,809 --> 02:42:28,560
right whether you call it warp drive or

3565
02:42:31,910 --> 02:42:29,819
whatever they want to call it we're

3566
02:42:33,170 --> 02:42:31,920
closing in on it with our physics I get

3567
02:42:35,389 --> 02:42:33,180
emails on it all the time

3568
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:35,399
and you can go online and google it and

3569
02:42:41,689 --> 02:42:37,290
discover some of these research programs

3570
02:42:45,880 --> 02:42:41,699
and I believe we will learn that one of

3571
02:42:47,870 --> 02:42:45,890
the absolute absolute aspects of

3572
02:42:50,269 --> 02:42:47,880
extraterrestrial engagement of an

3573
02:42:54,729 --> 02:42:50,279
emerging sentient technological species

3574
02:42:58,250 --> 02:42:54,739
is this you are not going to build an

3575
02:43:00,820 --> 02:42:58,260
interstellar craft and put hydrogen

3576
02:43:03,590 --> 02:43:00,830
bombs on it just to be safe and

3577
02:43:07,219 --> 02:43:03,600
trackable on out and hang out with us

3578
02:43:10,370 --> 02:43:07,229
that is not going to happen and so as a

3579
02:43:13,130 --> 02:43:10,380
result as a society like ours starts to

3580
02:43:14,540 --> 02:43:13,140
approach or maintains atomic weapons and

3581
02:43:17,149 --> 02:43:14,550
then is moving towards interstellar

3582
02:43:19,460 --> 02:43:17,159
craft it's time for them to step in for

3583
02:43:21,109 --> 02:43:19,470
an engagement they could blow the planet

3584
02:43:23,389 --> 02:43:21,119
up but they haven't done that they could

3585
02:43:25,189 --> 02:43:23,399
take it over so we only do what they

3586
02:43:27,469 --> 02:43:25,199
want to haven't done that what they're

3587
02:43:29,660 --> 02:43:27,479
doing is advancing and helping to assist

3588
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:29,670
a disclosure process that leads to the

3589
02:43:34,250 --> 02:43:32,010
formal announcement and then to open

3590
02:43:35,570 --> 02:43:34,260
contact and when that open contact takes

3591
02:43:40,540 --> 02:43:35,580
place one of the first things going to

3592
02:43:42,679 --> 02:43:40,550
say is hello nice to finally talk to you

3593
02:43:44,630 --> 02:43:42,689
there's some interesting things that

3594
02:43:46,820 --> 02:43:44,640
could happen we look forward to working

3595
02:43:49,070 --> 02:43:46,830
with you but please understand you got

3596
02:43:50,750 --> 02:43:49,080
to get rid of the nukes and you sure as

3597
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:50,760
hell are not taking them into space if

3598
02:43:55,599 --> 02:43:52,170
you try to do that we'll blow up

3599
02:43:58,760 --> 02:43:55,609
anything you build which is perfectly

3600
02:44:01,670 --> 02:43:58,770
represented by the fact that probably

3601
02:44:04,639 --> 02:44:01,680
the most important evidence we have

3602
02:44:07,550 --> 02:44:04,649
about et engagement of this planet is

3603
02:44:09,380 --> 02:44:07,560
the numerous instances of nuclear

3604
02:44:12,979 --> 02:44:09,390
weapons tampering where they have turned

3605
02:44:14,960 --> 02:44:12,989
off nuclear weapons in seto in our silos

3606
02:44:17,330 --> 02:44:14,970
not only in the United States but Russia

3607
02:44:20,750 --> 02:44:17,340
or the Soviet Union what could be

3608
02:44:23,660 --> 02:44:20,760
clearer than that right and so this is

3609
02:44:25,580 --> 02:44:23,670
ultimately when it all comes down all

3610
02:44:28,160 --> 02:44:25,590
the mishegoss is over this has

3611
02:44:30,740 --> 02:44:28,170
ultimately come down to we're an

3612
02:44:32,450 --> 02:44:30,750
advanced technological species we're

3613
02:44:34,010 --> 02:44:32,460
still violent we've built advanced

3614
02:44:35,389 --> 02:44:34,020
weapons we're close to interstellar

3615
02:44:38,030 --> 02:44:35,399
drive which means we're going to be

3616
02:44:40,180 --> 02:44:38,040
dealing with them soon and they have to

3617
02:44:43,390 --> 02:44:40,190
engage us because

3618
02:44:46,120 --> 02:44:43,400
bombs and interstellar craft ain't

3619
02:44:49,330 --> 02:44:46,130
coming into space they would be out of

3620
02:44:51,881 --> 02:44:49,340
their frigging mind to allow that can

3621
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:51,891
you imagine people flying around in

3622
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:53,840
space with with hydrogen bombs and their

3623
02:44:57,790 --> 02:44:56,090
Rockets could turn up at any time these

3624
02:44:59,410 --> 02:44:57,800
species are not blowing each other up

3625
02:45:02,381 --> 02:44:59,420
and they're not gonna let us do that to

3626
02:45:03,790 --> 02:45:02,391
them I would like to ask Jan what his

3627
02:45:09,280 --> 02:45:03,800
perspective is on the topics were

3628
02:45:12,940 --> 02:45:09,290
covering right now thanks Jan well

3629
02:45:14,980 --> 02:45:12,950
here's my perspective I think for all

3630
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:14,990
intents and purposes disclosure happened

3631
02:45:20,500 --> 02:45:17,690
and it happened on December 16 2017 you

3632
02:45:22,420 --> 02:45:20,510
could back it up to October 20 TSA made

3633
02:45:25,810 --> 02:45:22,430
its announcement but I think when it hit

3634
02:45:28,600 --> 02:45:25,820
the front page of the New York Times and

3635
02:45:31,270 --> 02:45:28,610
there was a month of probably the most

3636
02:45:34,930 --> 02:45:31,280
intense media coverage I've ever seen on

3637
02:45:37,060 --> 02:45:34,940
the subject all over the world and

3638
02:45:38,110 --> 02:45:37,070
mostly the United States I think what

3639
02:45:40,511 --> 02:45:38,120
people are looking for now is they're

3640
02:45:41,980 --> 02:45:40,521
looking for confirmation in weather that

3641
02:45:43,450 --> 02:45:41,990
comes in the way of the president's

3642
02:45:45,790 --> 02:45:43,460
deputy Oval podium which I don't think

3643
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:45,800
I'll ever happen but point or it comes

3644
02:45:50,290 --> 02:45:47,450
through NASA announcing the sound of

3645
02:45:53,320 --> 02:45:50,300
life on Mars or a hundred other ways

3646
02:45:55,810 --> 02:45:53,330
that it could come out I think right now

3647
02:45:58,091 --> 02:45:55,820
we're in a time period where people are

3648
02:46:02,020 --> 02:45:58,101
just looking for confirmation that it's

3649
02:46:04,930 --> 02:46:02,030
real because the first step in the

3650
02:46:06,970 --> 02:46:04,940
kubler-ross grieving process is denial

3651
02:46:08,591 --> 02:46:06,980
and we saw a lot of people out there who

3652
02:46:09,700 --> 02:46:08,601
say okay I heard what they said but you

3653
02:46:11,530 --> 02:46:09,710
know what I'm still waiting for my own

3654
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:11,540
confirmation I mean the thing that

3655
02:46:15,910 --> 02:46:13,760
always amazes me that people are

3656
02:46:18,250 --> 02:46:15,920
skeptics until they see one of these

3657
02:46:20,500 --> 02:46:18,260
craft themselves and then they become a

3658
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:20,510
believers or actually I call knowers

3659
02:46:26,410 --> 02:46:22,010
because they've seen one they know it's

3660
02:46:29,860 --> 02:46:26,420
real but I think we have to embrace

3661
02:46:32,200 --> 02:46:29,870
what's going on with tts a Tom DeLonge

3662
02:46:34,810 --> 02:46:32,210
is in a position he's in because he took

3663
02:46:37,600 --> 02:46:34,820
a big gamble if you read his book secret

3664
02:46:38,950 --> 02:46:37,610
machines had the opportunity to talk to

3665
02:46:41,230 --> 02:46:38,960
some very top level people in our

3666
02:46:42,910 --> 02:46:41,240
government and our military and our

3667
02:46:46,930 --> 02:46:42,920
intelligence community and he basically

3668
02:46:48,341 --> 02:46:46,940
pitched them hey I know this is real and

3669
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:48,351
I understand why we're not talking about

3670
02:46:53,020 --> 02:46:50,570
it and I think I could help you get the

3671
02:46:53,990 --> 02:46:53,030
message out and I think the reason why

3672
02:46:58,100 --> 02:46:54,000
we such

3673
02:47:00,980 --> 02:46:58,110
see such push off on the word UFO is

3674
02:47:04,460 --> 02:47:00,990
because as a community the UFO community

3675
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:04,470
has been very much conspiracy minded and

3676
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:06,240
I think our governments try to free our

3677
02:47:09,530 --> 02:47:08,010
government I think our government that

3678
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:09,540
see the problem with the government is I

3679
02:47:13,160 --> 02:47:11,130
think we think of government we think of

3680
02:47:14,360 --> 02:47:13,170
our elected officials and I can't think

3681
02:47:14,930 --> 02:47:14,370
of anyone who's more in the dark than

3682
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:14,940
them

3683
02:47:19,850 --> 02:47:18,000
honestly all right but I think I think

3684
02:47:21,710 --> 02:47:19,860
what's going to happen I think what's

3685
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:21,720
going to happen is this is going to be

3686
02:47:26,570 --> 02:47:24,450
the first step on the journey of a

3687
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:26,580
thousand miles as the Chinese say in

3688
02:47:31,880 --> 02:47:28,650
other words we've taken the first step

3689
02:47:34,400 --> 02:47:31,890
we've had a group of individuals who in

3690
02:47:36,980 --> 02:47:34,410
their previous careers whether it was in

3691
02:47:40,280 --> 02:47:36,990
the CIA or the Pentagon or in Congress

3692
02:47:42,470 --> 02:47:40,290
or in private industry or in science and

3693
02:47:45,500 --> 02:47:42,480
I'm talking about you know how put off

3694
02:47:48,050 --> 02:47:45,510
Stephen justice Chris Mellon Lou

3695
02:47:49,880 --> 02:47:48,060
Elizondo I mean these guys have taken it

3696
02:47:52,250 --> 02:47:49,890
upon themselves to step out to put

3697
02:47:54,530 --> 02:47:52,260
themselves out publicly on this subject

3698
02:47:57,980 --> 02:47:54,540
and they're working on our behalf

3699
02:48:01,100 --> 02:47:57,990
very diligently to get our Congress and

3700
02:48:02,450 --> 02:48:01,110
people focused on this thing now I'm not

3701
02:48:03,710 --> 02:48:02,460
just counting anything Stephen said

3702
02:48:05,150 --> 02:48:03,720
because I think there's a lot of stuff

3703
02:48:07,430 --> 02:48:05,160
going on behind the scenes but I think a

3704
02:48:10,090 --> 02:48:07,440
lot of it from what I'm figuring out is

3705
02:48:12,410 --> 02:48:10,100
being done it's all been privatized and

3706
02:48:15,140 --> 02:48:12,420
as you know private anything has been

3707
02:48:16,790 --> 02:48:15,150
privatized can't be for it so all these

3708
02:48:18,410 --> 02:48:16,800
people chasing FOIA is trying to figure

3709
02:48:20,930 --> 02:48:18,420
out what's going on good luck because

3710
02:48:22,610 --> 02:48:20,940
honestly there's nothing in the actual

3711
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:22,620
government documents that's going to

3712
02:48:28,100 --> 02:48:25,050
tell you this and if you read rappels

3713
02:48:30,380 --> 02:48:28,110
book who came up a while ago I think

3714
02:48:32,630 --> 02:48:30,390
Frank brought him up he even talks about

3715
02:48:35,690 --> 02:48:32,640
the destruction of anything that would

3716
02:48:38,930 --> 02:48:35,700
point to this being real and we know

3717
02:48:41,360 --> 02:48:38,940
from shift down in New Mexico before he

3718
02:48:42,380 --> 02:48:41,370
was killed from cancer that he was

3719
02:48:44,270 --> 02:48:42,390
trying to get the records for Roswell

3720
02:48:44,810 --> 02:48:44,280
and magically all those records have

3721
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:44,820
been destroyed

3722
02:48:50,930 --> 02:48:47,010
I even had a conversation with Chris

3723
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:50,940
Mellon why is it that we don't have the

3724
02:48:56,180 --> 02:48:52,650
video footage and the camera footage

3725
02:48:58,730 --> 02:48:56,190
from Gordon Cooper's encounter with a

3726
02:49:00,710 --> 02:48:58,740
flying saucer and Edwards Air Force Base

3727
02:49:03,770 --> 02:49:00,720
wasn't called that was called Moroccan

3728
02:49:07,010 --> 02:49:03,780
Air Force Base back in in the early 60s

3729
02:49:07,761 --> 02:49:07,020
it's answer was Jan well actually Gordon

3730
02:49:09,440 --> 02:49:07,771
Cooper was in my

3731
02:49:11,091 --> 02:49:09,450
office and we requested those records

3732
02:49:12,801 --> 02:49:11,101
and we were told they were destroyed

3733
02:49:14,661 --> 02:49:12,811
because the government needed storage

3734
02:49:16,371 --> 02:49:14,671
space I can't think of any more

3735
02:49:17,511 --> 02:49:16,381
ludicrous than that but but having to

3736
02:49:19,491 --> 02:49:17,521
read some of these other stories about

3737
02:49:21,261 --> 02:49:19,501
stepping to destroy it I even had a

3738
02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:21,271
military person called me up who was

3739
02:49:27,741 --> 02:49:24,570
until a special forces guy recently to

3740
02:49:29,961 --> 02:49:27,751
tell me that he could verify having been

3741
02:49:31,640 --> 02:49:29,971
in a couple of secret operations that

3742
02:49:33,291 --> 02:49:31,650
after the secret operations are done

3743
02:49:34,970 --> 02:49:33,301
they destroy all the records to it so no

3744
02:49:37,461 --> 02:49:34,980
one could ever prove that it ever

3745
02:49:39,650 --> 02:49:37,471
happened so I mean we're I feel like

3746
02:49:42,230 --> 02:49:39,660
we're kind of in this Spy vs spy novel

3747
02:49:45,530 --> 02:49:42,240
right now if you remember back to that

3748
02:49:48,501 --> 02:49:45,540
magazine and I I'm watching this thing

3749
02:49:50,570 --> 02:49:48,511
daily unfold and all I can say is let's

3750
02:49:52,461 --> 02:49:50,580
take the first step and the first step

3751
02:49:54,621 --> 02:49:52,471
is UFOs are real and we've not only had

3752
02:49:56,421 --> 02:49:54,631
that confirmed by stanton we've had it

3753
02:49:58,251 --> 02:49:56,431
now confirmed by people who worked in

3754
02:50:01,761 --> 02:49:58,261
our own government and have stepped out

3755
02:50:03,621 --> 02:50:01,771
of government to help push this forward

3756
02:50:06,940 --> 02:50:03,631
so let's let's get behind them and let's

3757
02:50:11,810 --> 02:50:09,501
alright yeah now really quick can you

3758
02:50:14,570 --> 02:50:11,820
confirm that you will be maintaining the

3759
02:50:17,451 --> 02:50:14,580
mutual UFO network name and not that

3760
02:50:32,301 --> 02:50:17,461
calling it the mutual UAP Network going

3761
02:50:34,430 --> 02:50:32,311
forward but I'm just saying look there's

3762
02:50:36,951 --> 02:50:34,440
probably a lot of talks going on that

3763
02:50:38,991 --> 02:50:36,961
we're not privy to this whole thing in

3764
02:50:41,720 --> 02:50:39,001
my opinion went dark

3765
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:41,730
back in the early late 50s early 60s for

3766
02:50:45,501 --> 02:50:43,200
one reason one reason only and that's

3767
02:50:47,631 --> 02:50:45,511
because the space-time manipulation and

3768
02:50:50,331 --> 02:50:47,641
if you talk to help boot off they

3769
02:50:51,711 --> 02:50:50,341
figured out the equations as has been

3770
02:50:53,421 --> 02:50:51,721
rich shared with me many many years ago

3771
02:50:55,070 --> 02:50:53,431
they figured out the equations they know

3772
02:50:56,421 --> 02:50:55,080
how to manipulate space-time now whether

3773
02:50:57,711 --> 02:50:56,431
we actually built it or not I'm not sure

3774
02:50:59,600 --> 02:50:57,721
that's still an open question I believe

3775
02:51:02,541 --> 02:50:59,610
we have but there's others who are

3776
02:51:03,711 --> 02:51:02,551
telling me we haven't so but someone

3777
02:51:04,940 --> 02:51:03,721
somewhere seems to have built these

3778
02:51:06,440 --> 02:51:04,950
things because we're watching them in

3779
02:51:08,961 --> 02:51:06,450
our skies we're getting them reported to

3780
02:51:10,970 --> 02:51:08,971
us right and we can kind of tell Michael

3781
02:51:12,320 --> 02:51:10,980
shret about it we can tell which ones

3782
02:51:14,390 --> 02:51:12,330
are ours and which ones are theirs

3783
02:51:17,631 --> 02:51:14,400
because theirs are totally integrated

3784
02:51:19,640 --> 02:51:17,641
and completely seamless and ours look

3785
02:51:21,140 --> 02:51:19,650
like something like the f-117 they're

3786
02:51:21,560 --> 02:51:21,150
very angular they've got a tennis stick

3787
02:51:23,450 --> 02:51:21,570
an atom

3788
02:51:26,120 --> 02:51:23,460
all sorts of strange things so you know

3789
02:51:27,530 --> 02:51:26,130
I guess I just encouraged because we're

3790
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:27,540
moving forward and we're having a

3791
02:51:31,970 --> 02:51:29,130
different conversation that we had five

3792
02:51:33,711 --> 02:51:31,980
years ago and it's with people who seem

3793
02:51:37,131 --> 02:51:33,721
to know what they're talking about so

3794
02:51:38,930 --> 02:51:37,141
I'm willing to look I think everyone

3795
02:51:40,640 --> 02:51:38,940
else should be ride the wave and let's

3796
02:51:42,381 --> 02:51:40,650
push this thing to the next question

3797
02:51:44,541 --> 02:51:42,391
right now it's UFOs are real we've got

3798
02:51:45,770 --> 02:51:44,551
that fact that figured out let's get to

3799
02:51:47,660 --> 02:51:45,780
the next question then the next question

3800
02:51:49,580 --> 02:51:47,670
the next question because there's a lot

3801
02:51:51,860 --> 02:51:49,590
more that needs to come out it's not

3802
02:51:54,200 --> 02:51:51,870
going to come out in the next two months

3803
02:51:55,490 --> 02:51:54,210
two years it's gonna take probably years

3804
02:51:57,921 --> 02:51:55,500
for all this stuff to play out I think

3805
02:52:00,940 --> 02:51:57,931
the conversations gonna shift is we go

3806
02:52:03,650 --> 02:52:00,950
through it so that's my thoughts on it I

3807
02:52:05,720 --> 02:52:03,660
wanted to say something and that is uh I

3808
02:52:07,341 --> 02:52:05,730
really think Stanton Friedman would have

3809
02:52:10,220 --> 02:52:07,351
hoped that we would have had a lively

3810
02:52:12,591 --> 02:52:10,230
discussion like this in his tribute to

3811
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:12,601
him and just wanted to make that comment

3812
02:52:19,041 --> 02:52:16,170
so I'm really glad we were able to talk

3813
02:52:21,740 --> 02:52:19,051
about such a wide variety of topics here

3814
02:52:23,120 --> 02:52:21,750
and actually wanted to ask arena if she

3815
02:52:34,720 --> 02:52:23,130
has any comments about what we're

3816
02:52:41,180 --> 02:52:34,730
talking about I was in some of aircrafts

3817
02:52:43,791 --> 02:52:41,190
and my supervisors turned in a UFO it

3818
02:52:47,091 --> 02:52:43,801
was that strongly debunked even though

3819
02:52:51,160 --> 02:52:47,101
it was illogical by the government even

3820
02:52:54,921 --> 02:52:51,170
though we were the authorities and I

3821
02:52:57,501 --> 02:52:54,931
imagine now with all the new advances

3822
02:53:04,310 --> 02:52:57,511
that they have really good satellite

3823
02:53:06,921 --> 02:53:04,320
photography of UFOs but I think one

3824
02:53:11,091 --> 02:53:06,931
thing is saying for sure there ET or

3825
02:53:12,620 --> 02:53:11,101
what they are in nobody knows and there

3826
02:53:14,631 --> 02:53:12,630
seems to be some kind of strong

3827
02:53:17,211 --> 02:53:14,641
resistance in the government which I

3828
02:53:19,551 --> 02:53:17,221
didn't understand so that was just not

3829
02:53:26,780 --> 02:53:19,561
home yet I think there's a lot of data

3830
02:53:31,570 --> 02:53:28,430
whether they can fully explain

3831
02:53:34,100 --> 02:53:31,580
everything even if they do have a baby

3832
02:53:35,340 --> 02:53:34,110
wonderful and Earl do you mind just

3833
02:53:37,740 --> 02:53:35,350
making any

3834
02:53:42,389 --> 02:53:37,750
comments that might come to mind about

3835
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:42,399
what we're talking about here well just

3836
02:53:48,149 --> 02:53:45,279
really you know what I keep on returning

3837
02:53:50,990 --> 02:53:48,159
to is Stanton of course who were you

3838
02:53:55,080 --> 02:53:51,000
know this is a tribute to and and and

3839
02:53:58,849 --> 02:53:55,090
how much he would love this panel and

3840
02:54:02,580 --> 02:53:58,859
all the different viewpoints and and

3841
02:54:04,679 --> 02:54:02,590
just I think that it was a wonderful

3842
02:54:08,010 --> 02:54:04,689
wonderful tribute to him because he's

3843
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:08,020
the ones that you know pushed us towards

3844
02:54:15,780 --> 02:54:11,439
critical thinking as ufologists and

3845
02:54:20,160 --> 02:54:15,790
researchers and however this rolls out

3846
02:54:22,229 --> 02:54:20,170
and I hope that you know I I do know

3847
02:54:25,320 --> 02:54:22,239
that people are much much more open to

3848
02:54:27,870 --> 02:54:25,330
disclosure now than they once were they

3849
02:54:30,420 --> 02:54:27,880
don't always play the x-files theme

3850
02:54:33,689 --> 02:54:30,430
music anymore when this comes on the

3851
02:54:37,469 --> 02:54:33,699
news so much has happened over the last

3852
02:54:39,210 --> 02:54:37,479
couple of years and everybody here you

3853
02:54:41,700 --> 02:54:39,220
know has played a great part in it you

3854
02:54:43,889 --> 02:54:41,710
know I feel so honored to have been part

3855
02:54:46,859 --> 02:54:43,899
of this panel today you know with people

3856
02:54:50,639 --> 02:54:46,869
like like Steve Bassett and rich Hoffman

3857
02:54:52,950 --> 02:54:50,649
and Irina and and you know you guys all

3858
02:54:56,059 --> 02:54:52,960
have you you you carry a lot of weight

3859
02:54:59,309 --> 02:54:56,069
in the science in the field and and I

3860
02:55:02,370 --> 02:54:59,319
think that it's going to be interesting

3861
02:55:04,740 --> 02:55:02,380
to see how it rolls out and and what a

3862
02:55:06,269 --> 02:55:04,750
joy and a pleasure to be part of this

3863
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:06,279
and to be alive right now

3864
02:55:11,729 --> 02:55:09,010
sadly Stanton's no longer with us but

3865
02:55:14,639 --> 02:55:11,739
his spirit certainly is a spirit of

3866
02:55:17,580 --> 02:55:14,649
adventure and his spirit of you know

3867
02:55:22,050 --> 02:55:17,590
scientific research using the scientific

3868
02:55:24,510 --> 02:55:22,060
method so that's kind of my final

3869
02:55:28,229 --> 02:55:24,520
thoughts today on on this whole this

3870
02:55:29,820 --> 02:55:28,239
whole thing wonderful thank you thank

3871
02:55:32,040 --> 02:55:29,830
you for saying that and I would also

3872
02:55:33,960 --> 02:55:32,050
like to read the obituary of Stanton

3873
02:55:36,269 --> 02:55:33,970
Friedman if our guests could please stay

3874
02:55:39,120 --> 02:55:36,279
on while I do that and then I would like

3875
02:55:41,370 --> 02:55:39,130
to go ahead and let everybody know all

3876
02:55:44,760 --> 02:55:41,380
of our listeners know who was on the

3877
02:55:47,519 --> 02:55:44,770
show today life legacy Stanton Terry

3878
02:55:48,930 --> 02:55:47,529
Friedman took his last breaths in this

3879
02:55:52,170 --> 02:55:48,940
world in a place

3880
02:55:55,950 --> 02:55:52,180
he spent so much time over the past five

3881
02:55:58,381 --> 02:55:55,960
decades an airport he died in Toronto on

3882
02:56:01,530 --> 02:55:58,391
May 13th on the way home to Fredericton

3883
02:56:03,660 --> 02:56:01,540
from a speaking engagement in Ohio he

3884
02:56:05,640 --> 02:56:03,670
officially retired in 2018 but his

3885
02:56:07,950 --> 02:56:05,650
passion for speaking about UFOs kept him

3886
02:56:10,980 --> 02:56:07,960
accumulating air miles even at the age

3887
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:10,990
of 84 over the years he lectured in ten

3888
02:56:16,620 --> 02:56:12,930
provinces 50 states in 19 countries

3889
02:56:18,690 --> 02:56:16,630
Stowell was born on July 29th 1934 he

3890
02:56:21,841 --> 02:56:18,700
grew up in Linden New Jersey but after

3891
02:56:23,761 --> 02:56:21,851
meeting his wife Marilyn he became so

3892
02:56:25,470 --> 02:56:23,771
smitten he eventually followed her

3893
02:56:27,570 --> 02:56:25,480
across the border to New Brunswick

3894
02:56:29,940 --> 02:56:27,580
Canada where they put down roots in

3895
02:56:31,610 --> 02:56:29,950
Fredericton a city he happily called

3896
02:56:34,290 --> 02:56:31,620
home for nearly 40 years

3897
02:56:36,930 --> 02:56:34,300
along with Maryland Stanley's behind his

3898
02:56:39,540 --> 02:56:36,940
daughters Rachel Melissa a grandson

3899
02:56:42,480 --> 02:56:39,550
James Kenneth and a great-grandson James

3900
02:56:44,700 --> 02:56:42,490
he was pre despite ooh sons Sean and

3901
02:56:46,440 --> 02:56:44,710
James Leo and decades before his

3902
02:56:48,810 --> 02:56:46,450
attention was captured by little green

3903
02:56:49,920 --> 02:56:48,820
men Stan worked as a waiter in the

3904
02:56:52,801 --> 02:56:49,930
Catskills to put himself through

3905
02:56:55,440 --> 02:56:52,811
university it was there in the borscht

3906
02:56:57,900 --> 02:56:55,450
belt that he first laid eyes on a

3907
02:57:00,570 --> 02:56:57,910
lobster and danced with debutantes

3908
02:57:03,480 --> 02:57:00,580
afterwards he worked as a nuclear

3909
02:57:05,910 --> 02:57:03,490
physicist for General McDonnell Douglas

3910
02:57:07,650 --> 02:57:05,920
and other companies but by the 70s he'd

3911
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:07,660
abandoned those top-secret projects to

3912
02:57:12,631 --> 02:57:10,690
focus on his research into UFOs in that

3913
02:57:14,400 --> 02:57:12,641
career he gave hundreds more likely

3914
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:14,410
thousands of interviews and appeared on

3915
02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:16,240
TV shows such as Larry King Live and

3916
02:57:20,761 --> 02:57:19,120
unselfish thérèse he is heralded as the

3917
02:57:23,640 --> 02:57:20,771
man who brought the Roswell incident

3918
02:57:25,860 --> 02:57:23,650
into the public eye while his mind often

3919
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:25,870
dwelled on solar systems light-years

3920
02:57:31,801 --> 02:57:29,200
away here on earth he was a kind-hearted

3921
02:57:34,350 --> 02:57:31,811
softie who never filled open a door or

3922
02:57:36,750 --> 02:57:34,360
pull out a chair for the people he was

3923
02:57:37,140 --> 02:57:36,760
with Stan was a man who was out of this

3924
02:57:39,660 --> 02:57:37,150
world

3925
02:57:43,650 --> 02:57:39,670
but he'll be greatly missed by those of

3926
02:57:45,030 --> 02:57:43,660
us still on the planet I would like to

3927
02:57:46,980 --> 02:57:45,040
go ahead and let everybody know the

3928
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:46,990
wonderful guests we had on our show

3929
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:49,690
today we had the great chase klutz key

3930
02:57:57,660 --> 02:57:54,970
of MUFON and we also had Michael W ha

3931
02:58:01,801 --> 02:57:57,670
paranormal lawyer we had Jim Mann

3932
02:58:02,639 --> 02:58:01,811
director of Phoenix MUFON Stacey bright

3933
02:58:05,099 --> 02:58:02,649
assistant

3934
02:58:10,199 --> 02:58:05,109
director of Phoenix MUFON we also had

3935
02:58:13,019 --> 02:58:10,209
Alejandro Rojas and Karen Burrard and we

3936
02:58:17,580 --> 02:58:13,029
also had on the panel today it looks

3937
02:58:19,710 --> 02:58:17,590
like we have dr. Irene Assad parson

3938
02:58:21,420 --> 02:58:19,720
international director move on we wanted

3939
02:58:24,840 --> 02:58:21,430
to mention dr. Irina Scott is author of

3940
02:58:29,460 --> 02:58:24,850
multiple books related to UFO literature

3941
02:58:31,830 --> 02:58:29,470
and also Ohio history and we have rich

3942
02:58:35,340 --> 02:58:31,840
Hoffman of the scientific Allah

3943
02:58:36,899 --> 02:58:35,350
coalition of you a piece or UAP I'll

3944
02:58:40,620 --> 02:58:36,909
have to have him correct me on that and

3945
02:58:45,659 --> 02:58:40,630
then Dean Alioto movie director we also

3946
02:58:49,409 --> 02:58:45,669
had Steve Bassett on and he's an

3947
02:58:54,449 --> 02:58:49,419
activist in the realm of you apology and

3948
02:58:56,909 --> 02:58:54,459
Earl Grey the chief investigator for the

3949
02:58:59,099 --> 02:58:56,919
Southern California Chapter of MUFON and

3950
02:59:01,439 --> 02:58:59,109
I wanted to thank everybody for having

3951
02:59:03,420 --> 02:59:01,449
been on the show today and it's been a

3952
02:59:05,790 --> 02:59:03,430
real pleasure and a privilege to have

3953
02:59:08,130 --> 02:59:05,800
been able to have the honor of making

3954
02:59:14,219 --> 02:59:08,140
this tribute to Stanton Friedman stay on

3955
02:59:18,719 --> 02:59:14,229
the show with you all it was fantastic

3956
02:59:21,090 --> 02:59:18,729
had a great time thank you having all of

3957
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:21,100
his questions answered right now he

3958
02:59:25,859 --> 02:59:24,880
knows more about aliens and UFOs than we

3959
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:25,869
do at this moment

3960
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:27,760
he's probably on the other side just

3961
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:31,680
waiting for us to catch up with him

3962
02:59:40,649 --> 02:59:34,090
we need to get a meet him right now and

3963
02:59:41,939 --> 02:59:40,659
get in contact with them thank you so

3964
02:59:46,290 --> 02:59:41,949
much chance Frank

3965
02:59:46,739 --> 02:59:46,300
you guys are awesome yeah thank you

3966
02:59:50,519 --> 02:59:46,749
everybody

3967
02:59:51,870 --> 02:59:50,529
hate it thank you for your time today we

3968
02:59:53,250 --> 02:59:51,880
appreciate it very much

3969
02:59:55,229 --> 02:59:53,260
we look forward to being able to have

3970
02:59:56,399 --> 02:59:55,239
the opportunity to speak with you all

3971
02:59:58,679 --> 02:59:56,409
later on in the year in different

3972
03:00:00,599 --> 02:59:58,689
interviews thank you we should do this

3973
03:00:05,010 --> 03:00:00,609
again let's all have a panel again soon

3974
03:00:07,620 --> 03:00:05,020
shall we sure well review the tts a

3975
03:00:10,319 --> 03:00:07,630
shows when they hit oh yeah great

3976
03:00:11,519 --> 03:00:10,329
there'll be a lot of fun so all right so

3977
03:00:14,040 --> 03:00:11,529
thanks guys

3978
03:00:16,290 --> 03:00:14,050
thanks a lot so I appreciate everybody

3979
03:00:19,050 --> 03:00:16,300
coming on it was fabulous

3980
03:00:20,520 --> 03:00:19,060
fantastic and we will wrap up we're

3981
03:00:22,710 --> 03:00:20,530
gonna be back tomorrow night with that

3982
03:00:24,960 --> 03:00:22,720
Calvin Parker to talk all about the

3983
03:00:27,750 --> 03:00:24,970
Pascagoula case anything else champ

3984
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before we wrap up I think that said I

3985
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really feel like our show has covered

3986
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everything we possibly could under the

3987
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Sun including having had the opportunity

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03:00:43,710 --> 03:00:40,930
to pay tribute to a true legend and I

3989
03:00:46,139 --> 03:00:43,720
know I said this before but I do believe

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03:00:47,910 --> 03:00:46,149
in my heart that Stan Friedman would

3991
03:00:50,580 --> 03:00:47,920
have wanted us to have this kind of

3992
03:00:52,410 --> 03:00:50,590
lively discussion today to cover as much

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03:00:55,920 --> 03:00:52,420
as we can about the topic that we all

3994
03:00:58,200 --> 03:00:55,930
love to talk about I know I love to

3995
03:01:01,230 --> 03:00:58,210
research it day and night I actually do

3996
03:01:04,740 --> 03:01:01,240
and I can't get enough of it this is

3997
03:01:06,690 --> 03:01:04,750
what I do is I actually read as much as

3998
03:01:08,639 --> 03:01:06,700
I can and learn as much as I can from

3999
03:01:10,440 --> 03:01:08,649
greats like Stanton Friedman and from

4000
03:01:13,469 --> 03:01:10,450
the folks that we have on our panel

4001
03:01:14,969 --> 03:01:13,479
today yep you bet it was a fantastic

4002
03:01:17,370 --> 03:01:14,979
show I had a few comments but to be

4003
03:01:19,530 --> 03:01:17,380
honest about it I can't top what was

4004
03:01:22,440 --> 03:01:19,540
already set so I appreciate it everybody

4005
03:01:24,929 --> 03:01:22,450
and good night and we will see you back